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28 November 2013
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Steven Moffat's thrown a hand-grenade into the mix, and what he's done impacts the Christmas episode.

Matt Smith has been the 10th regeneration (11th body), and with the introduction of John Hurt as the 8th regeneration (9th body ), that pushes everybody from Christopher Eccelston up one, making Matt Smith the 11th regeneration (12th body).

This is important as it brings a part of the established "mythology" of the Time Lords closer. In the "classic" series, during the Tom Baker era, the 1976 story The Deadly Assassin established that a Time Lord can regenerate 12 times and have 13 bodies. Which would mean, when Matt Smith regenerates into Peter Capaldi, Calpaldi is the last of the line - and that at the end of his tenure a way would need to be found for the Doctor to overcome this regeneration rule.

Steven Moffat seemed to confirm during a panel discussion that was part of the 50th Anniversary Convention in London.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/24/.....f-4199592/

However, talking to the Radio Times, Moffat blew all that apart:

On Saturday he told me Matt is actually the 13th and final doctor. John Hurt is officially now a doctor and David Tennant used up an extra regeneration during his stay.

In essence, the end of Matt at Christmas should mean the end of Doctor Who.

Where this leaves Peter Capaldi is unclear. But what Moffat would say is: "The 12 regenerations limit is a central part of Doctor Who mythology - science fiction is all about rules, you can't just casually break them.

"So if the Doctor can never change again, what's Peter Capaldi doing in the Christmas special?"

http://www.radiotimes.com/news.....as-cracker

We already know the Doctor is drawn back to Trenzalore in the Christmas episode, and we already know from an earlier episode that that is where he buried, and now we have Matt Smith being the Doctor who should have no more regenerations left. At least we only have less than a month before the questions are answered...

And, for those who didn't know about it, here is the second mini-episode that was released online before The Day of the Doctor. No Doctor in it, it tells of the beginning of the fall of Arcadia in the Time War, and is called The Last Day:

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Time Lords can get further regenerations, The Master in the 1996 movie was looking to steal the Doctor's.

The wiki entry for the movie writes

  • The Master tried to use the Eye of Harmony to obtain a new set of regenerations before, in The Deadly Assassin. He was also offered a new set of regenerations by the Time Lords in The Five Doctors, but his continued quest for regenerations in later stories like Planet of Fire implies that he never received them.

Not saying that is what's going to happen just that this does not have to mean there is no way to continue without breaking the rules.

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29 November 2013
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There is also another interesting idea that could be used/explored - that the Doctor is no ordinary Time Lord. While it has been explored more in print than on screen, this idea has surfaced a couple of times on screen.

The legend of Gallifrey and the birth of the Time Lords is that it/they was founded by three people: Rassilon, Omega, and The Other. As Rassilon became more and more of a despot, and sealed the borders of Gallifrey, The Other sought to escape by throwing himself into the Looms. Because of the Time Lords inability to sexually reproduce, the Looms had been created to take their DNA and reconstitute over time as new Time Lords. And when this founder reconstituted he did so as The Doctor.

It has been hinted at twice on screen - first in 1976's The Brain of Morbius (Morbius was a renegade Time Lord), then again in the 25th Anniversary story in 1988, Silver Nemesis. The idea has been explored in much more depth in print.

I mention this as possible path Moffat may be going down for one simple reason, The Sisterhood of Karn featured heavily in The Brain of Morbius (which took place on Karn). Though they have been explored further in print, they have only appeared on screen twice - with the second time being Moffat's mini-episode The Night of The Doctor. So Moffat has emphasised a link between The Doctor and The Sisterhood, and has shown them capable of preventing the death of a Time Lord.

Just throwing ideas around.

Should anyone be interested in learning more about The Other, and how he fits into The Doctor's story -

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Other

 

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

I thought it was very interesting especially since I just got into Doctor Who recently.

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

Yeah, i watched it and found it to be an enjoyable programme. Didn't come across as either rushed or padded out which happens a lot more than is necessary. However i cannot remember the ending at all.

 

Also caught An Unearthly Child, the first ever Doctor Who story which was shown on BBC4, and found the Doctor incredibly useless. He just wanted to get away but did pretty much nothing to help the tribe they encountered or come up with a way to escape. Get another way of space travel, remove the Doctor, and you'd have pretty much the same episode. Pah!

I saw the first episode on Youtube because for some reason Netflix doesn't begin at that episode. I think Netflix begins on the Aztec one. I found the first episodes alright, nothing great, but it gave me a little more background than the Aztec one. 

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Sky999 said

meanmistermustard said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

Yeah, i watched it and found it to be an enjoyable programme. Didn't come across as either rushed or padded out which happens a lot more than is necessary. However i cannot remember the ending at all.

 

Also caught An Unearthly Child, the first ever Doctor Who story which was shown on BBC4, and found the Doctor incredibly useless. He just wanted to get away but did pretty much nothing to help the tribe they encountered or come up with a way to escape. Get another way of space travel, remove the Doctor, and you'd have pretty much the same episode. Pah!

I saw the first episode on Youtube because for some reason Netflix doesn't begin at that episode. I think Netflix begins on the Aztec one. I found the first episodes alright, nothing great, but it gave me a little more background than the Aztec one. 

Yeah, Netflix doesn't have every episode of the classic series, it's only one or two serials per season. 

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