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25 November 2013
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Seeing it in 3D in a cinema packed with Doctor Who fans was a wonderful experience.

25 November 2013
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I was wondering whether it would live up to the high expectations because of all the hype about it, but I really it did. I loved every second of it, even though it focused slightly more on the most recent doctor, and I don't really like M. Smith.

That bit, mja, was one of my favourites too and, obviously, he wasn't even in the show when I watched it fanatically. My mom came down at that precise moment and her reaction was similar to yours by the sound of it. He's the one she remembers, and is still the best according to her.

''We're just knocked out. We heard about the sell out. You gotta get an album out, you owe it to the people. We're so happy we can hardly count.''

25 November 2013
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I thought that that surprise appearance was entirely sentimental nonsense. The other surprise appearance was so much better, quite exciting seeing that it was.

Not a huge fan of Matt Smith's time as its generally more of the slushy guff that started to appear with The Doctor and Rose, pretty much lost interest when they had that nonsense of everyone joining in singing with the little girl to save the planet.  I like Matt Smith as the Doctor but the story lines are pretty dire normally.

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28 November 2013
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Steven Moffat's thrown a hand-grenade into the mix, and what he's done impacts the Christmas episode.

Matt Smith has been the 10th regeneration (11th body), and with the introduction of John Hurt as the 8th regeneration (9th body ), that pushes everybody from Christopher Eccelston up one, making Matt Smith the 11th regeneration (12th body).

This is important as it brings a part of the established "mythology" of the Time Lords closer. In the "classic" series, during the Tom Baker era, the 1976 story The Deadly Assassin established that a Time Lord can regenerate 12 times and have 13 bodies. Which would mean, when Matt Smith regenerates into Peter Capaldi, Calpaldi is the last of the line - and that at the end of his tenure a way would need to be found for the Doctor to overcome this regeneration rule.

Steven Moffat seemed to confirm during a panel discussion that was part of the 50th Anniversary Convention in London.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/24/.....f-4199592/

However, talking to the Radio Times, Moffat blew all that apart:

On Saturday he told me Matt is actually the 13th and final doctor. John Hurt is officially now a doctor and David Tennant used up an extra regeneration during his stay.

In essence, the end of Matt at Christmas should mean the end of Doctor Who.

Where this leaves Peter Capaldi is unclear. But what Moffat would say is: "The 12 regenerations limit is a central part of Doctor Who mythology - science fiction is all about rules, you can't just casually break them.

"So if the Doctor can never change again, what's Peter Capaldi doing in the Christmas special?"

http://www.radiotimes.com/news.....as-cracker

We already know the Doctor is drawn back to Trenzalore in the Christmas episode, and we already know from an earlier episode that that is where he buried, and now we have Matt Smith being the Doctor who should have no more regenerations left. At least we only have less than a month before the questions are answered...

And, for those who didn't know about it, here is the second mini-episode that was released online before The Day of the Doctor. No Doctor in it, it tells of the beginning of the fall of Arcadia in the Time War, and is called The Last Day:

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28 November 2013
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So this could be the end, then? Quite a sad thought, that. Does make you wonder what part Capaldi's going to play in all this.

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28 November 2013
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There is no chance the Beeb are going to allow Doctor Who to end. Some way will be found to keep it on air.

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28 November 2013
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As mja said though, you can't just change the rules otherwise where do you stop? If we found a doctor ''everyone'' likes, could they suddenly change it so he doesn't regenerate? I see what you mean, but I can't think of a way around this (though I suppose I don't have to - maybe if I were paid to, then I could think of something).

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28 November 2013
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You have to look at what Moffat says, "...you can't just casually break (the rules)".

Which, to me, just means there's going to be nothing "casual" about the rule break that will happen on Christmas Day. We already know that Calpaldi is a Doctor, we say him fly his Tardis in to those surrounding Gallifrey in The Day of the Doctor.

The regeneration rule has been there since 1976 however, and Calpaldi could decide to stay in the role longer than Moffat stays as overseer. So, Moffat has decided that Tennant's partial regeneration to heal himself knocked out a regeneration, which allows him to answer the question of what happens when we get to the end of his supposed regenerations now.

There is no chance that the Doctor ends on Trenzalore on Christmas Day. The question of how the Doctor continues will be answered however.

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29 November 2013
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Would I rather see this run of Doctor Who (which I am loving) continue, or see some random 'rule' from 1976 be enforced?  Hmm, let me think ...

This is sci-fi, and I'm also a comic book fan - I have survived so many retcons my head is still spinning.  I'm sure they will come up with some way around this which will satisfy all but the most obsessive rules lawyers out there.

29 November 2013
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Time Lords can get further regenerations, The Master in the 1996 movie was looking to steal the Doctor's.

The wiki entry for the movie writes

  • The Master tried to use the Eye of Harmony to obtain a new set of regenerations before, in The Deadly Assassin. He was also offered a new set of regenerations by the Time Lords in The Five Doctors, but his continued quest for regenerations in later stories like Planet of Fire implies that he never received them.

Not saying that is what's going to happen just that this does not have to mean there is no way to continue without breaking the rules.

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29 November 2013
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There is also another interesting idea that could be used/explored - that the Doctor is no ordinary Time Lord. While it has been explored more in print than on screen, this idea has surfaced a couple of times on screen.

The legend of Gallifrey and the birth of the Time Lords is that it/they was founded by three people: Rassilon, Omega, and The Other. As Rassilon became more and more of a despot, and sealed the borders of Gallifrey, The Other sought to escape by throwing himself into the Looms. Because of the Time Lords inability to sexually reproduce, the Looms had been created to take their DNA and reconstitute over time as new Time Lords. And when this founder reconstituted he did so as The Doctor.

It has been hinted at twice on screen - first in 1976's The Brain of Morbius (Morbius was a renegade Time Lord), then again in the 25th Anniversary story in 1988, Silver Nemesis. The idea has been explored in much more depth in print.

I mention this as possible path Moffat may be going down for one simple reason, The Sisterhood of Karn featured heavily in The Brain of Morbius (which took place on Karn). Though they have been explored further in print, they have only appeared on screen twice - with the second time being Moffat's mini-episode The Night of The Doctor. So Moffat has emphasised a link between The Doctor and The Sisterhood, and has shown them capable of preventing the death of a Time Lord.

Just throwing ideas around.

Should anyone be interested in learning more about The Other, and how he fits into The Doctor's story -

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Other

 

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5 December 2013
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Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

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5 December 2013
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

Funnily enough someone recommended me this today a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

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5 December 2013
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

Yeah, i watched it and found it to be an enjoyable programme. Didn't come across as either rushed or padded out which happens a lot more than is necessary. However i cannot remember the ending at all.

 

Also caught An Unearthly Child, the first ever Doctor Who story which was shown on BBC4, and found the Doctor incredibly useless. He just wanted to get away but did pretty much nothing to help the tribe they encountered or come up with a way to escape. Get another way of space travel, remove the Doctor, and you'd have pretty much the same episode. Pah!

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6 December 2013
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

I thought it was very interesting especially since I just got into Doctor Who recently.

meanmistermustard said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

Yeah, i watched it and found it to be an enjoyable programme. Didn't come across as either rushed or padded out which happens a lot more than is necessary. However i cannot remember the ending at all.

 

Also caught An Unearthly Child, the first ever Doctor Who story which was shown on BBC4, and found the Doctor incredibly useless. He just wanted to get away but did pretty much nothing to help the tribe they encountered or come up with a way to escape. Get another way of space travel, remove the Doctor, and you'd have pretty much the same episode. Pah!

I saw the first episode on Youtube because for some reason Netflix doesn't begin at that episode. I think Netflix begins on the Aztec one. I found the first episodes alright, nothing great, but it gave me a little more background than the Aztec one. 

6 December 2013
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Sky999 said

meanmistermustard said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said
Glad to find some Who fans among the Beatles fans!

Did anyone see An Adventure In Space And Time? It was a docudrama on the original making of Doctor Who. It's feature length. 

It's incredible, and there's a few surprise appearances, including a HUGE one at the end. Anyway, it's great, you should all watch it, and if anyone has seen it, what did you think?

Yeah, i watched it and found it to be an enjoyable programme. Didn't come across as either rushed or padded out which happens a lot more than is necessary. However i cannot remember the ending at all.

 

Also caught An Unearthly Child, the first ever Doctor Who story which was shown on BBC4, and found the Doctor incredibly useless. He just wanted to get away but did pretty much nothing to help the tribe they encountered or come up with a way to escape. Get another way of space travel, remove the Doctor, and you'd have pretty much the same episode. Pah!

I saw the first episode on Youtube because for some reason Netflix doesn't begin at that episode. I think Netflix begins on the Aztec one. I found the first episodes alright, nothing great, but it gave me a little more background than the Aztec one. 

Yeah, Netflix doesn't have every episode of the classic series, it's only one or two serials per season. 

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As mentioned in another thread around here I remember watching all of these when they were new.  We were just blown away, they were so much more interesting than anything else on the tube at the time.  The cybermen REALLY creeped me out when I first saw them.

Watching those early episodes now they seem so quaint, and often very slow - developments in technique and pacing have moved on and our (well my) expectations have changed; but we would not have got here without those first slow and steady steps.

6 December 2013
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I'm too young too have seen any classic series originally, but I have seen quite a bit of it, and it can be slow at times (especially in 6 part stories). The main difference between the two versions to me is that the new series is far more storyline oriented. Almost all of the classic series is standalone per story, but now there's generally a story going on. 

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
I'm too young too have seen any classic series originally, but I have seen quite a bit of it, and it can be slow at times (especially in 6 part stories). The main difference between the two versions to me is that the new series is far more storyline oriented. Almost all of the classic series is standalone per story, but now there's generally a story going on. 

Indeed.  I love the new ones but it can be difficult to know what is going on if you miss a few.

 

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trcanberra said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said
I'm too young too have seen any classic series originally, but I have seen quite a bit of it, and it can be slow at times (especially in 6 part stories). The main difference between the two versions to me is that the new series is far more storyline oriented. Almost all of the classic series is standalone per story, but now there's generally a story going on. 

Indeed.  I love the new ones but it can be difficult to know what is going on if you miss a few.

 

Indeed.  I love the new ones but it can be difficult to know what is going on during each episode.

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