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What do you consider the last "early" Beatles album?
22 March 2013
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Thanks to you all!heart I'm glad my categorizing method made sense to someone other than me!

 

Of course, you are all right about Beatles For Sale fitting more into the Dylan/weed era. But for some reason I always tend to lump it into the early period. It probably does have something to do with all the covers.

 

22 March 2013
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Yeah, especially the fact that most (all?) of the covers are of '50s tunes rather than contemporary Motown/girl group numbers. Ages it somewhat.

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Probably Beatles for Sale.

 

Help! was their changing point in music, Rubber Soul was when they finally got the full extinct of being the world's best band, significant easy listening, pop songs. But Help! is just a step up from the playfullness of pre-Beatles for Sale. It's more mature and there's no filler. A lot of memorable hits in there as well.

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But Help! is just a step up from the playfullness of pre-Beatles for Sale. It's more mature and there's no filler. A lot of memorable hits in there as well.

I would say that Beatles For Sale is the step up. You only need to look at the cover to see that those once chirpy cheeky moptoppers are now weary. Plus, BFS was the first album where they were on weed, and the Dylan influence means the Lennon songs are more self-analytical and pessimistic. So I think the difference between BFS and the whilwind chirpiness of AHDN is bigger than the differecne between BFS and Help. Just my opinion though :) 

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24 March 2013
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bikelock28 said

But Help! is just a step up from the playfullness of pre-Beatles for Sale. It's more mature and there's no filler. A lot of memorable hits in there as well.

I would say that Beatles For Sale is the step up. You only need to look at the cover to see that those once chirpy cheeky moptoppers are now weary. Plus, BFS was the first album where they were on weed, and the Dylan influence means the Lennon songs are more self-analytical and pessimistic. So I think the difference between BFS and the whilwind chirpiness of AHDN is bigger than the differecne between BFS and Help. Just my opinion though :) 

I agree with you to some extent. Beatles for Sale though is what I consider their, "messiest" album. The John Lennon penned song was like the baby step to their maturity. It's all over the place, more or less like Abbey Road.

24 March 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I tend to think of BFS as a bridge album. The originals point the way forward, the amount of covers their last link back to the past. I suppose in that way it could be called a "messy" album, the way in which it's looking in two directions. However, I do not think you'd find many who'd agree that AR, one of their finest achievements, is "all over the place".

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25 March 2013
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Imo help is neither early not late. Beatles for sale is clearly early and Rubber Soul is clearlynot' but help is definitelyboth imo

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25 March 2013
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IMO, the last "Early Album" was A Hard Day's Night.

To me, BFS and Help! were more transitional type albums.  Their lyrics started getting more introspective.  

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28 March 2013
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mja6758 said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I tend to think of BFS as a bridge album. The originals point the way forward, the amount of covers their last link back to the past. I suppose in that way it could be called a "messy" album, the way in which it's looking in two directions. However, I do not think you'd find many who'd agree that AR, one of their finest achievements, is "all over the place".

Abbey Road has some of the best Beatles compositions of all time. But it isn't headed in one direction. Each song is completely different. From the cool, smokey blues of Come Together to the dark humoured sing a long Maxwell's Silver Hammer to the Hard Rock, lengthy instrumental I Want You (She's So Heavy) to the calm, optimistic Here Comes The Sun.

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mja6758 said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I tend to think of BFS as a bridge album. The originals point the way forward, the amount of covers their last link back to the past. I suppose in that way it could be called a "messy" album, the way in which it's looking in two directions. However, I do not think you'd find many who'd agree that AR, one of their finest achievements, is "all over the place".

Abbey Road has some of the best Beatles compositions of all time. But it isn't headed in one direction. Each song is completely different. From the cool, smokey blues of Come Together to the dark humoured sing a long Maxwell's Silver Hammer to the Hard Rock, lengthy instrumental I Want You (She's So Heavy) to the calm, optimistic Here Comes The Sun.

But AR has a certain consistent feel to it. I would say that The White Album is a much better example of "all over the place" (not that it isn't a great album).

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28 March 2013
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Abbey Road has a very flowing feel to it, whilst the songs are different they blend together to form a very cohesive whole. For instance I Want You (She's So Heavy) can be very suffocating to some due to its extended guitar and 'white noise' ending however Here Comes The Sun immediately lightens the mood and brings fresh breaths to the listener. I certainly have never felt im going from one place to another without any link. However The White Album is very sprawling where altho there are segments that do feel natural (side 2 with the animals and a few transitions here and there; Bungalow Bill's "hey up" leading brilliant into George's masterpiece of While My Guitar Gently Weeps) you are transported from one genre to another with little ease. Its sprawling-all-over-the place-going-overwhere approach is one of its great attributes.

What was the thread topic again? Oh, album you consider to be the last 'early' Beatles album.

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mja6758 said

Moonie said

mja6758 said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I tend to think of BFS as a bridge album. The originals point the way forward, the amount of covers their last link back to the past. I suppose in that way it could be called a "messy" album, the way in which it's looking in two directions. However, I do not think you'd find many who'd agree that AR, one of their finest achievements, is "all over the place".

Abbey Road has some of the best Beatles compositions of all time. But it isn't headed in one direction. Each song is completely different. From the cool, smokey blues of Come Together to the dark humoured sing a long Maxwell's Silver Hammer to the Hard Rock, lengthy instrumental I Want You (She's So Heavy) to the calm, optimistic Here Comes The Sun.

But AR has a certain consistent feel to it. I would say that The White Album is a much better example of "all over the place" (not that it isn't a great album).

 

Yes, The White Album is a good example of that.

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28 March 2013
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I understand the accepted wisdom that the White Album is sprawling and all over the place, but I feel like there is still a sense of unity amongst all of those songs in the the sound, the content, and the ambiance of the entire record...those songs could ONLY be on that album with each other. (I admit I'm biased, it's my favorite Beatles album)

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28 March 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I agree. It's like the variety and randomness unifies the songs. Or something like that.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I agree. It's like the variety and randomness unifies the songs. Or something like that.

 

Exactly! A bit of a paradox, but the fact that it's all over the place unifies it, not only because of the sound and feel of the album, but because those tracks could never exist on any other album than that one.

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For me Beatles For Sale has to be the last early album and i see Help! as a transition where there songwriting became more personal and interesting. Additionally Rubber Soul has a completely different feel to it than Beatles For Sale where as Help! is similar to both.

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"Help!" because like ^megopop09^ I think "Help!" is the transition between periods. And because "Help!" is the last Beatles album to have songs not written by them (other than "Maggie Mae", obviously)

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Snap it in two and you get Rubber Soul and Revolver as the breaking points. Rubber Soul was the last album where everything was geared towards assemble playing. I know you had a sitar in there and some piano but Revolver is where they started to record purely studio creations, songs that they could never have performed live. Revolver was their first true piece of art! (rather than just a collection of REALLY good songs) Revolver is also the first time that you get multiple personalities popping up in a BIG way. Rubber Soul was the last of The Beatles as a traditional (rock 'n' roll) band...and nothing they did from that point on would ever be traditional rock 'n' roll!

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I always see BFS as the last early album and Help!/Rubber Soul as the ''middle period''.

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That's the "X factor" about the Beatles -- they cannot be cleanly categorized, pinned down or dissected on nearly any criteria one uses.

But neither are they just some kind of indiscriminate mush of a lava lamp, either.blue-meanie

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