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What do you consider the last "early" Beatles album?
18 January 2013
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What is the last "early" Beatles album?

  • Help!(94% : 30 votes)
  • Rubber Soul(3% : 1 vote)
  • Revolver(3% : 1 vote)
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Revolver is generally considered the last "early" Beatles album (the death of the "mop-tops") but I tend to view it as more of a transition. I think that Rubber Soul or even Help! could arguably be the last, while Revolver (And possibly Rubber Soul) are more of a transition between the early/later Beatles. I like how Help! ends with "Dizzy Miss Lizzy" almost as if it was saying "goodbye" to the early rock n' roll days, whereas Rubber Soul ends with "Run For Your Life", saying "goodbye" to the folk/country days.

I feel like the leap from Help! to Rubber Soul is more impressive than any of the other leaps preceding it, though Rubber Soul to Revolver is also fairly impressive. In fact, I'm more amazed with the evolution from Help!-Rubber Soul-Revolver than I am with Revolver-Sgt. Pepper (No offense to SPLHCB fans, it's a good album, this is merely my opinion).

 

Of course, this is totally subjective, but it's conversation.

18 January 2013
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I only really consider the first two albums and associated singles and whatnot as 'early Beatles'.  But that's me.

I sort of classify the rest as 3 other periods:

- 'AHDN' to 'Help!'

- 'Rubber Soul' to 'MMT'

- 'White Album' to the end

 

So I guess I see two stages each of early and late-era Beatles…

 

…which is amazing, because that really only covers 8 years.  Nowadays 8 years sees maybe two mediocre albums from any new band.

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18 January 2013
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I consider AHDN as their last early album. 

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18 January 2013
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I consider Beatles For Sale as the last "early" one even though it straddles Beatlemania with the more serious and adventurous era. Mainly because they were still writing to order at that point and it was the last album to follow the forumla (apart from AHDN) of originals and covers.

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18 January 2013
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I'd say either Beatles For Sale or Help!

18 January 2013
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Help because to me it still feels like classic (early) Beatles me. While stuff had begun to change, I feel like you can really start telling the differences with Rubber Soul and Revolver.

18 January 2013
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sky090909 said
Help because to me it still feels like classic (early) Beatles me. While stuff had begun to change, I feel like you can really start telling the differences with Rubber Soul and Revolver.

 

I'd agree except that Ticket To Ride, Help!, You've Got To Hide Your Love Away are all leaning more heavily toward what was to come than what came before, IMO. Perhaps that's the true album straddling the 2 eras.

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18 January 2013
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'HELP'! would have been the last early Beatles album. 

'Rubber Soul' & 'Revolver' they were already making the transition to what was to come and of course 'Sgt. Pepper's' started a whole new era for them.

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18 January 2013
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Seems to me you can't have an "early" and a "late" without having a "right on time"! Three eras, not two.

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18 January 2013
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Three eras, not two.

I agree; the way I see it, PPM to Help! is the early Beatlemania period, Rubber Soul to Magical Mystery Tour is the middle psychedelic period, and the White Album to Let It Be is the late Apple-years period.

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18 January 2013
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Help! for me. Still doing covers and thinking of the album as 14 independent songs. There were signs of maturity and growth but that can be said for most if not all Beatles albums. Rubber Soul was a huge step forward and away from the early Beatlemania sound.

Also agree about there being 3 eras: PPM -> Help!, Rubber Soul -> MMT, White Album -> Let It Be.

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18 January 2013
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Very interesting question – I see no wrong answers up above.

To me, the "early period" (era?) would end with AHDN. Once they were under the…shall we say…"Dylan influence", that signified the end of the innocence.

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19 January 2013
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I consider everything before Rubber Soul "early," although Help! isn't as "early," if that makes sense. Rubber Soul seems to be the transition. They experimented a bit more (sitar, etc.), and, although Rubber Soul is basically made up of love songs, they don't seem as love-song-ish. The songs also got better (especially George's, but he still hadn't written songs that were considered "good,"*** like Taxman) IMO.

***I don't mean his other songs weren't good, but they got much better starting with Taxman and continuing on.

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19 January 2013
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Help! is probably their last early "Beatles" album. Rubber Soul was the first album wherein they had a song composed whose theme was not about love.

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2 February 2013
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Help! was their last early album I'd say cause Rubber Soul had that had that new sound you know

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5 February 2013
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I'd say Beatles for Sale. That was the last album in which there was a 8:6 ration between Lennon/McCartney songs, and covers. After that only 2 covers were released until their breakup (Act Naturally, and Maggie Mae) Though AHDN was a strong album, It still wasn't quite the end. The term "early" could also come into mind, when The Beatles were  entering halfway point through their career as The Beatles (1960 -1970)

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22 March 2013
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I break the three periods down this way:

Driving force(s):  Buddy Holly/Little Richard/Motown 

Please Please Me

With The Beatles

A Hard Day's Night

Beatles For Sale

 

Driving force(s) Dylan & weed

Help

Rubber Soul

Revolver (though acid is of course bleeding into this one)

 

Driving force(s): Acid and India

Sgt Pepper

Magical Mystery Tour

Yellow Submarine (I know YS was released after the White Album, but YS has much more in common w/ SPLHCB & MMT than TWA, in my opinion)

 

Driving force: marriage(s) and impending divorce

White Album

Let it Be

Abbey Road

 

22 March 2013
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Monkey Finger said
I break the three periods down this way:

Driving force(s):  Buddy Holly/Little Richard/Motown 

Please Please Me

With The Beatles

A Hard Day's Night

Beatles For Sale

Driving force(s) Dylan & weed

Help

Rubber Soul

Revolver (though acid is of course bleeding into this one)

Driving force(s): Acid and India

Sgt Pepper

Magical Mystery Tour

Yellow Submarine (I know YS was released after the White Album, but YS has much more in common w/ SPLHCB & MMT than TWA, in my opinion)

Driving force: marriage(s) and impending divorce

White Album

Let it Be

Abbey Road

Very nice way of doing it! However I'd say Revolver should definitely be in the acid/India category (Love You To, nearly all of John's songs are indirectly related to his psychedelic experiences), and Beatles for Sale should move into the Dylan/weed category (although they weren't getting stoned by this point, the Dylan influence on John's songs is undeniable).

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22 March 2013
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Yeah, that was some incisive categorizing, Monkey Finger! (I especially like the way you "break the three periods down" into four periods! :D ) I'd agree with Ben about Revolver and Beatles For Sale both kinda straddling eras. And the Yellow Submarine songs absolutely belong to the acid/India era, since that's when they were all recorded, well before the White Album. Doesn't matter that they weren't released until after…

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22 March 2013
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vonbontee said
Yeah, that was some incisive categorizing, Monkey Finger! (I especially like the way you "break the three periods down" into four periods! :D ) I'd agree with Ben about Revolver and Beatles For Sale both kinda straddling eras. And the Yellow Submarine songs absolutely belong to the acid/India era, since that's when they were all recorded, well before the White Album. Doesn't matter that they weren't released until after…

Couldn't agree more. For all the covers on Beatles for Sale, it is the album where Lennon starts confronting what Dylan has brought to the party. Revolver is definitely, no question about it, their first acid album. Tomorrow Never Knows, the first song recorded, is most definitely NOT a weed song. The fourth of your three dividers, I might call "Post-India, Cocaine and Divorce". Your first I might call "Growing Pains and Mentors". Otherwise, these small differences apart, Monkey Finger, you are to be saluted.

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