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Vinyl Box Set (2012)
13 November 2012
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Hello.a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

I'm new in this forum, and about this vinyl box, I'd like to ask if there are any differences between European and US edition. Maybe the U.S. vinyls are manufactured by Capitol Records in USA and European lp's by EMI in the UE? (I don't know, it's only a supposition). I ask this because I've noted that this amazing vinyl box set, is cheaper in US shops than in Europe.  What's the difference? There are different editions depending countries or instead, all the boxes came from the same factory? The vinyl labels are the same in US than in Europe or there are Parlophone labels for Europe and Capitol for US? …And, in the label "Made in" which country we can find?

Thanks.

14 November 2012
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The vinyl box set will be the same British titles as the CD Box set released in 2009 with the same stereo mixes. They will not be using any of the american stereo mixes for this set. This is being issued worldwide and will keep the integrity of the original EMI releases including jackets, sleeves, labels and mixes. 

EMI is also planning to release a vinyl mono box set sometime in the near future. Will need to wait for more info regarding that.

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14 November 2012
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They Vinyl Box set is nothing like the CD Set at all, The sound is unlike anything I've from the CDs.

14 November 2012
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philramone said
Hello.a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

I'm new in this forum, and about this vinyl box, I'd like to ask if there are any differences between European and US edition. Maybe the U.S. vinyls are manufactured by Capitol Records in USA and European lp's by EMI in the UE? (I don't know, it's only a supposition). I ask this because I've noted that this amazing vinyl box set, is cheaper in US shops than in Europe.  What's the difference? There are different editions depending countries or instead, all the boxes came from the same factory? The vinyl labels are the same in US than in Europe or there are Parlophone labels for Europe and Capitol for US? …And, in the label "Made in" which country we can find?

I have the UK edition, and it's printed/made in the EU (no country mentioned). Someone here from North America should be able to tell you what's on their version.

I doubt there's any other difference in terms of sound quality, artwork etc. Stuff is normally way more expensive in the UK than elsewhere. If you import this one you'd probably pay quite a bit in duty (it weighs a lot) and it might not be worth it.

On the subject of labels, MMT has the Capitol label, as it was a full-length album in the US (in the UK we got the double EP set). All other albums have Parlophone or Apple labels (Please Please Me has the original gold label, which is a nice touch).

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TremblingWilbury said
They Vinyl Box set is nothing like the CD Set at all, The sound is unlike anything I've from the CDs.

Vinyl is different from CD. EMI will be using the same stereo masters they used on the 2009 set but since it will be produced on vinyl, this will give it a warmer feel and will be 100% analog as opposed to transferring into the digital format. Also, you will get everything that came with the albums when they were originally released such as for example, 'The White Album' you will get the poster and the 4 individual pictures that came with the album. There are still a lot of vinyl lovers out there and this is for them. I hope they use virgin vinyl to cut down on the surface noise. I am sure they are going to sound fantastic.

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14 November 2012
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Joe said

philramone said
Hello.a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

I'm new in this forum, and about this vinyl box, I'd like to ask if there are any differences between European and US edition. Maybe the U.S. vinyls are manufactured by Capitol Records in USA and European lp's by EMI in the UE? (I don't know, it's only a supposition). I ask this because I've noted that this amazing vinyl box set, is cheaper in US shops than in Europe.  What's the difference? There are different editions depending countries or instead, all the boxes came from the same factory? The vinyl labels are the same in US than in Europe or there are Parlophone labels for Europe and Capitol for US? …And, in the label "Made in" which country we can find?

I have the UK edition, and it's printed/made in the EU (no country mentioned). Someone here from North America should be able to tell you what's on their version.

I doubt there's any other difference in terms of sound quality, artwork etc. Stuff is normally way more expensive in the UK than elsewhere. If you import this one you'd probably pay quite a bit in duty (it weighs a lot) and it might not be worth it.

On the subject of labels, MMT has the Capitol label, as it was a full-length album in the US (in the UK we got the double EP set). All other albums have Parlophone or Apple labels (Please Please Me has the original gold label, which is a nice touch).

And Past Masters has both the Parlophone and Apple labels

15 November 2012
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I got mine in the mail yesterday. I love it! Now one of my most prized possessions. Anyways, something that caught my eye is that Abbey Road is in it's original state. the grey square is on the bottom which was retouched in later releases.

 

By the way, mine (from US) says Manufactured at Capitol Records in Hollywood.

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15 November 2012
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I'm floored by just how gorgeous this set is.

 

It was nice to see black record bags for the White Album, but I have to admit that I'm a bit perplexed as to why they put Yellow Submarine, Abbey Road and Past Masters side 3 & 4 in black bags as well.

I'm not complaining, mind you…  Also nice to see the extra inserts in Pepper and YS.

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15 November 2012
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Any photos?

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15 November 2012
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Let me snap a few…

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15 November 2012
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16 November 2012
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Absolutely Beautiful, SatanH, and I am so glad you like them (ever since I read a few months back that the original UK White Album had black inner sleeves, I've been SO pissed that us yanks never got the same – just the artistic 'statement' those sleeves must have made… & we had no clue)

I myself am passing on this set, as I explained to CooperTrooper in my September reply, which went totally ignored and apparently forgotten by one and all; however, I am genuinely thrilled to the max for every person who wanted it, bought it, and are ecstatic at owning it – price be damned, there are so many wonderful (officially-licensed) Beatles' collectibles out there produced throughout the years that make me green with envy towards all the newer fans who are getting to experience them for the first time, plus the ones that keep on coming; I don't have to own my own set to appreciate just how incredible it must be for those that do now.

There's ONE THING about this newest collection that's got me kind of grumpy, though, and it has to do specifically with two of CooperTrooper's statements, which point out the "180 GRAM VINYL!!!" he states these LPs are being issued in. I've checked the Amazon ad, and other articles, but aside from what CooperTrooper has written, I haven't read a single mention that these albums were produced in that way.

Whether they are or not, I just wanted to bring up a point regarding these "superior quality" vinyl releases:

First off, I'm not one of those aurally-gifted, certified 'audiophiles' with a magical ear that transends an average person's ability to hear music in a 'better' way – I know most of the mono and stereo differences in The Beatles releases, and I know that their sound on vinyl is vastly superior to that of any other recorded format.

But I have bought a few of these 180 gm LPs, mainly from The Monkees, McCartney and The Beach Boys, because I had fewer of their albums than I did cassettes and CDs, and they're not only ridiculously over-priced, but their sound quality is not a bit more 'revelatory' or impressive as any standard, label-manufactured vinyl record that we've known and loved all these years.

If this precious '180-gram' vinyl didn't exist when these legendary albums were first released, why would a listener want to hear some brief difference or momentary audio distraction that the creators of this music never intended to be heard at all?

It's well-known that Brian Wilson was deaf in one ear and produced every Beach Boys song specifically for mono, just as it would have been heard on the AM radio stations of the day. Personally, I love hearing stereo versions of songs originally released in mono, I've no problem with that- but these 'specialty' releases, like half-speed masters or extra-dimensional quadrophonic or Dolby-enhanced records may be fun to listen to, but they can also leave permanent, 'inauthentic' audio versions of some songs inside your mind's "ear," so to speak – Capitol re-released some early Beatles records with added echo that for years I thought were the 'true versions', and some of those sound ridiculously manipulated to me now – and hopefully all of these hybrids will be forever corrected and properly respectful of the actual, authentic songs, warts and all, with these latest releases.

But the '180-gram' boast is bullsh*t bullocks – if you don't have it, you're not missing a thing.

16 November 2012
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@Wildcat – Do you even know what 180G vinyl is? Mine are 180G, they are all 180G. Go to The Beatles own website, go to the online store, click on the vinyl box. When the product info appears you will see that they have all been manufactured on 180G vinyl. Apparently you didn't read much.

16 November 2012
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@Wildcat – Also, even a novice vinyl enthusiast would know that the heavier the vinyl, the less surface noise. It does not alter the sound of the music itself, it increases the quality of the vinyl record itself resulting in less hum, hiss, and crackle.

16 November 2012
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That's all well and good, but you didn't come close to answering the question I wrote:

If this precious '180-gram' vinyl didn't exist when these legendary albums were first released, why would a listener want to hear some brief difference or momentary audio distraction that the creators of this music never intended to be heard at all?

Were there people back in 1965 saying, "Oh sure, 'Beatles For Sale' has some excellent music on it, but what a shame we won't hear how great it really sounds until someone decides to invent 180-gram vinyl"?

How many interviews have you read where the musicians who made this music said something along the lines of, "We were quite flattered to sell over a million records, despite the fact they were all made from inferior quality material that our fans had to settle for until a few decades later when they could finally purchase the superior 180G versions and hear all the really good stuff they couldn't hear on those old records"?

George Martin must have been one extremely frustrated producer back in the days when he was so meticulously recording and remixing albums like 'Revolver' with the knowledge that even his finest efforts would be obscured once they were etched on to that crappy, non-180G vinyl. Shouldn't we all be entitled to some kind of refund for the original albums we paid good money for, not knowing that we were getting more "hum, hiss and crackle" on these lousy discs than what the definitive 180G vinyl would have had?

Such snobbery and presumption the exclusive club of 'true audiophiles' adopt as a means of showing how much more refined their special 'gift' of properly appreciating music separates them from the generations of music lovers who were too ignorant to realise they were settling for 'less' all of this time is an insulting and condescending attitude that contributes nothing to an average discussion of music; it only elevates their own sense of superiority and lack of respect for any other opinion than their own.

One could at least be given points for honesty if they just came out and said "I'm better than you because I hear music the rightway and you don't."

Does that make you feel better, Coop?

16 November 2012
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Perhaps I could suggest that in needs to be put into context:

 

For the fan wanting to re-live the vinyl experience, going out and buying a mint-condition original UK vinyl is ridiculously cost-prohibitive.  Most of the vinyl that still exists is in fairly rough shape, so new vinyl copies are essential to preserving the experience.

As well, 180-gram vinyl wasn't an option back in the 60s.  Vinyl was cheap, warped easily and could be scratched with the slightest of bumps against the edge of your turntable.  The focus was to get the albums out as easily as possible, and vinyl was the perfect media at the time.

Today's new 180-gram vinyl is leaps and bounds ahead of what was being used in the 60s.  The grooves are deeper and the platter itself is heavier, providing an overall superior listening experience.  Since music collectors have a far greater expendable income today, it's more practical to produce something closer to audiophile-level on vinyl.

 

Sure, there's no better experience than the original versions, warts and all.  But this is a preservation project, as well as a way to reintroduce both the Beatles as well as the vinyl experience to a new generation.  That's why they used the 2009 remasters instead of just using the original 60s masters.

 

This release by no means replaces the original vinyl versions.  It's just a classic twist on new options.

I suggest we all just chill out on this one.  I have most of the original vinyls.  I have the 2009 stereo CDs.  I have the 2009 mono CDs.  I have the 2012 stereo vinyls.  I love them all for different reasons.  It's all good.

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17 November 2012
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SatanHimself –

Comments like the one you've posted just above mine are a comfortable reassurance that cooler minds, and responses as eloquent as yours, remind me that such needlessly vitriolic commentaries of the type I posted are not reflective of the majority opinion that I otherwise would have assumed it to be.

I like 'winning' arguments, and relish the ideas of interrupting someone's one-sided debate that continues unchallenged; even more, I love being gently, logically persuaded to accept an entirely neutral opinion or point of view that I hadn't considered while pounding away on my keyboard to post a response to someone I happen to disagree with. 

You provided a 'middle ground' that I'm quite satisfied to adopt as a final cessation of further debate- I'm more than ready to "chill out" on this subject, and when it comes to anything that continues to bring The Beatles into the collective consciousness, I'm right there with you – "It's all good."

Bring on that 180-gram vinyl, babay!!

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17 November 2012
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I like your passion, and I totally understand your competitive nature to debate in a forum such as this.

My problem is that in my line of work I solve problems and put out fires (both figuratively and quite literally – I'm an airport firefighter).  I used to frequent many different online forums in my somewhat younger days which were all full of anonymous bile and flaming.  I now come here just to share my love of the Beatles with like-minded people.  The great thing is that our disagreements are all rooted in something *positive*.

 

But to move on, I'll redirect the conversation slightly:  I have two fairly young daughters (7 and 9) who love their Dad's music, which is now their music as well.  I showed them the box and let them pour over it (they know how to handle vinyl safely).  The looks on their faces and the reactions as they opened the White Album poster and pulled out the photos were life-altering.

I mean, think about it:  They pulled out the Sgt. Pepper insert that lists everyone on the cover and went through the names to see who they knew.  They ran their fingers over the Parlophone label on 'Please Please Me' like it was a butterfly's wings.  They counted all the different faces on 'Revolver', and then later they drew interpretive pictures of "Mean Mr. Mustard" and "Polythene Pam" and taped them to my bedroom wall.

To me, that experience absolutely justified the cost of this set.  The CDs are wonderful, but the vinyl experience is really a much more tangible one.

And this goes doubly for the original vinyls.  As part of my "Class Project" thread, I got original international vinyls of the first 4 albums, and my girls look at them as if them they're looking at the Mona Lisa.  Or the Mono Lisa, as the case may be…

 

So to those who have purchased the set, I ask:  What are you going to do with it over the long haul?  Is it an investment to be re-sold?  Is it an archive piece?  Are you going to play the ever-loving hell out of it…?

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19 November 2012
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Well my one-year-old son pretty much wrecked my needle by setting my turntable spinning then putting the arm on the platter with no disc playing. So I daren't play any of the box set until I get a new needle.

I partly bought it because one day it'll sell out (I should have bought the Apple box set when it was £100) and I'll regret not getting it. I'm still undecided about the mono box, but I'll probably get that too. Generally I don't automatically get everything that Apple puts out, but I'm a sucker for the music reissues.

One day I'd really like to get a fantastic stereo system with much better speakers than I currently have, and play the vinyl on that. So it's a purchase that, for now, I'm keeping in mint condition (I even kept the shrinkwrap on the non-gatefold albums, just cutting an opening to get the discs out), but one day when the time's right I'll play it properly.

Incidentally, I have quite a bit of original 60s vinyl, but I tend to play the CDs or mp3 rips. It's more convenient. Would I sell the vinyl? Not on your life. These are lovely things to own, old and new alike.

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Hurrah! I'm off to Abbey Road Studios on Wednesday for a stereo vinyl playback/discussion event in Studio Two. Super excited about that! http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2012/11/the_beatles_uncovered_their_de.html

I'll take pics and report back afterwards. Not sure what to expect – only found out I was going today.

If you're in London that day, the Beatles bus will be travelling around the city. No location details, apart from it'll arrive at the studios at 6.30pm. http://www.contactmusic.com/press/the-beatles-vinyl-bus-hits-london-evening-abbey-road-event-the-beatles-uncovered

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