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27 December 2013
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I got my Capitol boxes. The long box is a really poor design. The CDs just fall out if you don't know how to open the box. I thought I got the wrong mixes on volume 2 but what happened was the owner got the incorrect pressing and sent for replacement discs from EMI. You can tell by the numbers on the discs.

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Expert Textpert said
I got my Capitol boxes. The long box is a really poor design. The CDs just fall out if you don't know how to open the box. I thought I got the wrong mixes on volume 2 but what happened was the owner got the incorrect pressing and sent for replacement discs from EMI. You can tell by the numbers on the discs.

 

Yeah, I was none too thrilled with the packaging when I got Version 1. So I have the CDs in jewel cases, just to be safe. What are the numbers I need to look for when I get Version 2 in the spring?

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki…..,_Volume_2

the numbers (and cd times) are here

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If you search Steve Hoffman forums you can find the incorrect numbers.

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A first look at the US Albums Boxed set from WogBlog.

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Amazon UK are offering the box to me for around 300 dollars.

I have it on pre-order at Amazon Canada for $135.

Hmm – let me think …

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I don't think that anybody's mentioned this here yet, but the original U.S. version of the 'A Hard Day's Night' album has an extra verse to 'I'll Cry Instead', no different lyrics, but John sings the 1st verse a second time later on in the song and it was deleted from virtually every other version of the song (UK 'A Hard Day's Night', 'Something New', etc.) released.  Chalk up this as another reason to look forward to the U.S. 'A Hard Day's Night' album…:-)

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Billy Rhythm said
I don't think that anybody's mentioned this here yet, but the original U.S. version of the 'A Hard Day's Night' album has an extra verse to 'I'll Cry Instead', no different lyrics, but John sings the 1st verse a second time later on in the song and it was deleted from virtually every other version of the song (UK 'A Hard Day's Night', 'Something New', etc.) released.  Chalk up this as another reason to look forward to the U.S. 'A Hard Day's Night' album…:-)

Thanks – I am really looking forward to it.  I don't have any mono Beatles at the moment so this will give me plenty, plus the film soundtracks and a lot more I don't have.  I know some folks are unhappy with the box, or the decision to use 2009 masters or whatever – but it suits my needs to a 't'.

 

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trcanberra said

Billy Rhythm said
I don't think that anybody's mentioned this here yet, but the original U.S. version of the 'A Hard Day's Night' album has an extra verse to 'I'll Cry Instead', no different lyrics, but John sings the 1st verse a second time later on in the song and it was deleted from virtually every other version of the song (UK 'A Hard Day's Night', 'Something New', etc.) released.  Chalk up this as another reason to look forward to the U.S. 'A Hard Day's Night' album…:-)

Thanks – I am really looking forward to it.  I don't have any mono Beatles at the moment so this will give me plenty, plus the film soundtracks and a lot more I don't have.  I know some folks are unhappy with the box, or the decision to use 2009 masters or whatever – but it suits my needs to a 't'. 

He doesn't sing the first verse a second time, the first verse is edited in a second time. Doesn't make it any less an interesting version, but it is not something cut from other versions, just something edited into that version.

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mja6758 said

trcanberra said

Billy Rhythm said
I don't think that anybody's mentioned this here yet, but the original U.S. version of the 'A Hard Day's Night' album has an extra verse to 'I'll Cry Instead', no different lyrics, but John sings the 1st verse a second time later on in the song and it was deleted from virtually every other version of the song (UK 'A Hard Day's Night', 'Something New', etc.) released.  Chalk up this as another reason to look forward to the U.S. 'A Hard Day's Night' album…:-)

Thanks – I am really looking forward to it.  I don't have any mono Beatles at the moment so this will give me plenty, plus the film soundtracks and a lot more I don't have.  I know some folks are unhappy with the box, or the decision to use 2009 masters or whatever – but it suits my needs to a 't'. 

He doesn't sing the first verse a second time, the first verse is edited in a second time. Doesn't make it any less an interesting version, but it is not something cut from other versions, just something edited into that version.

 

Are you sure on this?  Although the lyrics are the same as the first verse, it always sounded like a different performance to me, particularly the line "I'd get myself locked up today" where John kinda sounds like he stutters (or giggles?) a bit on the word "locked", this was why I figured that it wasn't present on the other versions…:-)

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Billy Rhythm said

mja6758 said

He doesn't sing the first verse a second time, the first verse is edited in a second time. Doesn't make it any less an interesting version, but it is not something cut from other versions, just something edited into that version.

Are you sure on this?  Although the lyrics are the same as the first verse, it always sounded like a different performance to me, particularly the line "I'd get myself locked up today" where John kinda sounds like he stutters (or giggles?) a bit on the word "locked", this was why I figured that it wasn't present on the other versions…:-)

Looking into it further, it is complicated.

Basically, the US soundtrack mono has an additional verse (verse 4) and is referred to as the "long version". Verse 4 is definitely edited in, but would appear to be a discarded attempt at verse 1.

This was used on United Artists UAL 3366 and UAS 6366 A Hard Day's Night (1964), Capitol 5234 single (1964), Capitol T 2018 Something New (1964).

The stereo "long version" at the time was a fake stereo made from the mono "long version". Capitol used the standard UK stereo on Capitol ST 2018 Something New (1964).

However, a true stereo "long version" was created, and has been used in various places. This, however, edited in a straight repeat of the standard verse 1 as verse 4 (hence my confusion).

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^ and ^^ nicely done both of you – very interesting  *runs off to swot up for the exam*

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I'll Cry Instead was going to be in the film AHDN, i think over the breakout scene when they run around the fields, but got ditched for Can't Buy Me Love (the long US Mono mix of ICI is very close to CBML time-wise). Possibly in a bid to match the song length to the scene I'll Cry Instead was recorded in two different sections (A (in 6 takes) & B (Takes 7 & 8)) and then stitched together using the best from both sections (Section A ,Take 6; Section B, Take 8). The US mono came first, then the stereo (at the shorter length) and then the UK mono (trimmed to match the stereo).

UA probably got a copy of the film mono mix (their soundtrack was issued earlier than the UK album) before it was jettisoned hence its inclusion on the album. 

There is no true extended stereo mix, anything claiming to be is bogus (or fan made). 

 

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meanmistermustard said
UA probably got a copy of the film mono mix (their soundtrack was issued earlier than the UK album) before it was jettisoned hence its inclusion on the album. 

There is no true extended stereo mix, anything claiming to be is bogus (or fan made). 

Hate to disagree, but there is, and it is as I described it. It first confirmed use was for the photo montage that preceded the 1982 cinema re-release of A Hard Day's Night (which also appeared on video/some DVD issues of the film). It is also said to have been used on latter day copies of the Capitol A6282 single.

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mja6758 said

meanmistermustard said
UA probably got a copy of the film mono mix (their soundtrack was issued earlier than the UK album) before it was jettisoned hence its inclusion on the album. 

There is no true extended stereo mix, anything claiming to be is bogus (or fan made). 

Hate to disagree, but there is, and it is as I described it. It first confirmed use was for the photo montage that preceded the 1982 cinema re-release of A Hard Day's Night (which also appeared on video/some DVD issues of the film). It is also said to have been used on latter day copies of the Capitol A6282 single.

Its a fake.

Taken from The Beatles Rarities

There is a rare stereo version that was issued officially and plays with a montage of still photos that preceded the film on an early 1980?s commercially issued VHS of A Hard Day’s Night. This stereo mix of the long version is actually a forgery created by editing another copy of the first verse back in at the appropriate spot near the end of the song. Since this VHS would be awfully hard to find now, I have decided to feature this obscure stereo long (forged) version of “I’ll Cry Instead” for this week’s BROW. With a tuned in ear you’ll be able to spot the edit, but this is exactly how it was on the aforementioned VHS tape.

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meanmistermustard said

mja6758 said

meanmistermustard said
UA probably got a copy of the film mono mix (their soundtrack was issued earlier than the UK album) before it was jettisoned hence its inclusion on the album. 

There is no true extended stereo mix, anything claiming to be is bogus (or fan made). 

Hate to disagree, but there is, and it is as I described it. It first confirmed use was for the photo montage that preceded the 1982 cinema re-release of A Hard Day's Night (which also appeared on video/some DVD issues of the film). It is also said to have been used on latter day copies of the Capitol A6282 single.

Its a fake.

Taken from The Beatles Rarities

There is a rare stereo version that was issued officially and plays with a montage of still photos that preceded the film on an early 1980?s commercially issued VHS of A Hard Day’s Night. This stereo mix of the long version is actually a forgery created by editing another copy of the first verse back in at the appropriate spot near the end of the song. Since this VHS would be awfully hard to find now, I have decided to feature this obscure stereo long (forged) version of “I’ll Cry Instead” for this week’s BROW. With a tuned in ear you’ll be able to spot the edit, but this is exactly how it was on the aforementioned VHS tape.

I think that just comes down to how different people view it. There is no difference between how I described it:

mja6758 said 

The stereo "long version" at the time was a fake stereo made from the mono "long version". Capitol used the standard UK stereo on Capitol ST 2018 Something New (1964).

However, a true stereo "long version" was created, and has been used in various places. This, however, edited in a straight repeat of the standard verse 1 as verse 4 (hence my confusion).

I suppose there is an argument for calling it a "forgery", but I consider any mix that was released officially in any way an alternate mix. I was making a point that there was a stereo "long version" that wasn't fake stereo, and that it differed from the mono "long version" in that it edited in a straight copy of the first verse rather than the variation edited into the mono "long version".

I am not claiming it as an official Beatles alternate mix, but then I would not regard any of the alternate American-created alternate mixes as official Beatles alternate mixes. I just don't regard them as forgeries.

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I'm not going to quote 34 posts.

Someone sticking together a Beatles song in the early 1980's in an effort to recreate a stereo version of a mono mix from 1964 in my eyes is a fake.

This whole area of mixes and whats real and fake is a minefield of cataclysmic proportions and incredibly complicated. We will just have to agree to disagree.apple01

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Reading both of you going back and forth on this reminded me of something that I read awhile back attempting to solve the same "true stereo" mystery, only involving the song 'She Loves You'.  It's as though the more "evidence" that you uncover, the muddier the mystery becomes, but still this is a fascinating read and for those (like myself) who've traditionally not particularly cared much about such details in the past, may just think differently after reading this:

 

http://www.beatlesagain.com/th…..track.html

 

You guys may appreciate this (or likely have all ready read it!) for there are Beatles "fans", then there are Beatles "fanatics", but you two sound like this guy who's a "Beatleologist"!…:-)

6 January 2014
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Its a cool theory and David does back up his argument well. Thanks for posting Billy. Its only fair that Apple let us into the vaults to get the answer, and if by accident Carnival Of Light should be played instead of the second run thru of Sie Liebt Dich well these things happen in life.

 

Update to save a double-post.

The US Albums are up on iTunes to preorder. Price UK-wise it's £8.99 for each individual album in the UK; for all of them, The Box, it's £89.99 (the UK albums, not looking at double LP's, are £10.99). The Beatles Story is not available on its own. The US albums are in their own section, clearly separated from the UK albums.

There is also a 1 minute 54 second promo video for the US albums that is free to watch.

 

Over on The Beatles youtube account you can watch a different video promoting the US Albums, posted below.

 

[Edit: Should note that these have been "Mastered for iTunes", whatever that means.]

Also posted in the News thread.

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Beatles.co.uk states that Meet The Beatles! was released 10th Jan 1964 whereas it was actually released on 20th; it was Vee-Jay's "Introducing.." that wasreleased on the 10th. Capitol wanting to re-write history? 

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