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The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963 - Official Release
13 December 2013
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Wogblog posted an article on the possible upcoming release of 'The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963 – Official Release along with a follow up article on the copyright aspect of it all. Examiner also posted about this as well as how the Beach Boys are also said to be following suit as are other artists. Additionally an NME article mja found on this which uses a Beatles spokesman as the source for its information.

Release date is said to be Tuesday 17th December. Nothing official has been forthcoming at the time of posting.

 

Tracklisting

1. There's A Place – Takes 5, 6 (2:19)
2. There's A Place – Take 8 (1:58)
3. There's A Place – Take 9 (2:04)
4. Do You Want To Known A Secret – Track 2, Take 7 (2:17)
5. A Taste Of Honey – Track 2, Take 6 (2:12)
6. I Saw Her Standing There – Take 2 (3:07)
7. Misery – Take 1 (1:54)
8. Misery – Take 7 (1:56)
9. From Me To You – Take 1 & 2 (3:24)
10. From Me To You – Take 5 (2:17)
11. Thank You Girl – Take 1 (2:09)
12. Thank You Girl – Take 5 (2:04)
13. One After 909 – Take 1 & 2  (4:29)
14. Hold Me Tight – Take 21 (2:42)
15. Money (That's What I Want) – RM 7 Undubbed (2:48)
16. Some Other Guy – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 26th January, 1963 (2:02)
17. Love Me Do – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 26th January, 1963 (2:31)
18. Too Much Monkey Business – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 26th January, 1963 (1:50)
19. I Saw Her Standing There – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 16th March, 1963 (2:38)
20. Do You Want To Know A Secret – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 26th January, 1963  (1:50)
21. From Me To You – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 26th January, 1963 (1:54)
22. I Got To Find My Baby – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 26th January, 1963 (1:59)
23. Roll Over Beethoven – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 29th June, 1963 (2:29)
24. A Taste Of Honey – Live At BBC For "Easy Beat" / 23rd June, 1963 (2:01)
25. Love Me Do – Live At BBC For "Easy Beat" / 20th October, 1963 (2:29)
26. Please Please Me – Live At BBC For "Easy Beat" / 20th October, 1963 (2:08)
27. She Loves You – Live At BBC For "Easy Beat" / 20th October, 1963 (2:29)
28. I Want To Hold Your Hand – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 21st December, 1963 (2:19)
29. Till There Was You – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 21st December, 1963 (2:16)
30. Roll Over Beethoveen – Live At BBC For "Saturday Club" / 21st December, 1963 (2:16)
31. You Really Got A Hold On Me – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 4th June, 1963 (2:54)
32. The Hippy Hippy Shake – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 4th June, 1963 (1:43)
33. Till There Was You – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" /11th June, 1963 (2:14)
34. A Shot Of Rhythm And Blues – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 18th June, 1963 (2:06)
35. A Taste Of Honey – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 18th June, 1963 (1:56)
36. Money (That's What I Want) – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 18th June, 1963 (2:41)
37. Anna – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 25th June, 1963 (3:02)
38. Love Me Do – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 10th September, 1963 (2:29)
39. She Loves You – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 24th September, 1963 (2:16)
40. I'll Get You – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 10th September, 1963 (2:05)
41. A Taste Of Honey – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 10th September, 1963 (2:00)
42. Boys – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 17th September, 1963 (2:12)
43. Chains – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 17th September, 1963 (2:22)
44. You Really Got A Hold On Me – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 17th September, 1963 (2:57)
45. I Saw Her Standing There – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 24th September, 1963 (2:41)
46. She Loves You – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 10th September, 1963 (2:15)
47. Twist And Shout – Live At BBC For "Pop Go The Beatles" / 24th September, 1963 (2:36)
48. Do You Want To Know A Secret – Live At BBC For "Here We Go" / 12th March, 1963 (1:55)
49. Please Please Me – Live At BBC For "Here We Go" / 12th March, 1963 (1:57)
50. Long Tall Sally – Live At BBC For "Side By Side" / 13th May, 1963 (1:49)
51. Chains – Live At BBC For "Side By Side" / 13th May, 1963 (2:23)
52. Boys – Live At BBC For "Side By Side" / 13th May, 1963 (1:53)
53. A Taste Of Honey – Live At BBC For "Side By Side" / 13th May, 1963 (2:04)
54. Roll Over Beethoven – Live At BBC For "From Us To You" / 26th December, 1963 (2:17)
55. All My Loving – Live At BBC For "From Us To You" / 26th December, 1963 (2:06)
56. She Loves You – Live At BBC For "From Us To You" / 26th December, 1963 (2:21)
57. Till There Was You – Live At BBC For "From Us To You" / 26th December, 1963 (2:12)
58. Bad To Me – Demo (1:29)
59. I'm In Love – Demo (1:32)

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
13 December 2013
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Thanks for getting this back up, mmm. Such an annoying situation for all.

Anyway, I want to comment on the NME article, I would suggest that that is official confirmation that this release will happen, just not that it will happen on 17 December.

To me, when somebody cites a "Beatles spokesperson", they're saying they've confirmed it with Apple.

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13 December 2013
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mja6758 said
Thanks for getting this back up, mmm. Such an annoying situation for all.

Anyway, I want to comment on the NME article, I would suggest that that is official confirmation that this release will happen, just not that it will happen on 17 December.

To me, when somebody cites a "Beatles spokesperson", they're saying they've confirmed it with Apple.

Maybe but you often see newspapers and articles claiming a source says and everyone knows they made it up. I have little doubt NME did speak to an Apple spokesman but officially Apple have announced nothing.

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13 December 2013
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The BBC are also reporting this, and saying no official confirmation, but also citing confirmation from an Apple spokesperson.

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13 December 2013
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mja6758 said
The BBC are also reporting this, and saying no official confirmation, but also citing confirmation from an Apple spokesperson.

Word is beginning to get out and about. 

Strange that everyone knows about it but Apple are keeping schtum officially. 

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13 December 2013
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Was reading on another forum and what some are saying is that everything and anything recorded in 1963 which is in the vaults and has not been issued in the last 50 years falls out of copyright on the 1st January 2014, therefore if Apple were to release it in 2014 then anyone is free to do so too. The source is an Allan Kozinn article (it's behind a paywall so cant be linked to).

Going by that there is even less incentive for Apple to issue anything with outtakes of new stuff from 1963 post 2013.

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13 December 2013
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Not entirely true. Were they to include, for instance, the raw studio tape of breakdown take 2 of Twist And Shout on some future release, they could not claim copyright. However, they would not do that. It would go through some mixing/remastering process, and the copyright would be claimed on that.

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13 December 2013
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Ok i don't get this. So when do the actual official '63 songs copyright run out as those arent the same as the 2009 remasters then. Do you have to hunt down those crappy compilations in the 70's and early 80's to figure that out as weren't the 1987 songs remastered in some way as well? And will Apple have to at some point reissue the nonremastered tracks to keep the copyright of those.

Can't they just make it all easier and say that song is that song regardless of mixing, remastering or anything else that happens years down the line?

 

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13 December 2013
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Everything, including the remasters, only gets an additional 20 years. So, for example, the 1963 recordings are protected up until 2033. My example of take 2 of Twist And Shout, I used that as something that hasn't seen the light of day. Were anyone to get hold of the raw tape then, after 11 February 2014, they could do what they wanted to with it. Any official release of it, no matter when released, would establish copyright on that "production".

Another mistake that is being made is 31 December being a hard cut-off. It is a gradual unfolding. The copyright on something recorded on the 11 February 1963 does not run out at the same time as their finishing touches to With The Beatles on 23 October 1963. Though, obviously, it is easier to handle a year at a time. But this could indicate a further 1963 volume, as most of the missing bootlegged material comes from the second half of the year.

The interesting one is the Yellow Submarine Songtrack which they actually remixed. I would guess that those mixes have 70 years from date of release.

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Thanks mja. When i totally understand it all i'm going to start tackling the poser of the meaning of life, i figure that will be less complicated.

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At its most basic, it's like protecting a photograph. How you first print that photograph is protected from the day you do it. Come back to that print years later and clean (remaster) it, and it's still the same photograph. Go back to the negative (Yellow Submarine Songtrack) and decide to print a version using a yellow filter (remix), you've created a new print and can claim protection on that print.

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So, do we still have our discussion about CDs and .mp3s or has that been lost in the reconstruction of history?

14 December 2013
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trcanberra said
So, do we still have our discussion about CDs and .mp3s or has that been lost in the reconstruction of history?

Afraid that's lost to the "timey whimey" thing!

The Guardian reports on the bootleg release.

Good old Roger has certainly been making Beatles headlines in recent months. Led the way with On Air, and now there's this!

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14 December 2013
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mja6758 said

trcanberra said
So, do we still have our discussion about CDs and .mp3s or has that been lost in the reconstruction of history?

Afraid that's lost to the "timey whimey" thing!

The Guardian reports on the bootleg release.

Good old Roger has certainly been making Beatles headlines in recent months. Led the way with On Air, and now there's this!

Can't go wrong with a good Doctor Who reference!

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It's up and coming and, if you are in New Zealand it's came already; The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963 will be here and there are upgrades. Wogblog writes 

From our readers over there we have so far got these comments: "Saturday Club Jan 26 Some Other Guy is an upgrade, Love Me Do is complete and an upgrade. A Taste Of Honey, Misery and Do You Want To Know A Secret outtakes are in STEREO! Money is undubbed. Bad To Me sounds much cleaner!"

 

There is nothing yet on the UK iTunes so i presume its just going to appear at some point on the day of release.

Examiner has also posted an article on the album becoming available in some countries around the world including Indonesia and Japan.

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And this would seem to create another difference with the earlier Dylan release, in that he limited his physical release to distribution European markets. I don't whether iTunes could have actually done that, but it does look as if it is slowly going to roll out across all their stores over the next few hours.

As a slight aside, but still concerning copyright, is the songwriter's copyright. A writer's copyright on their work runs out 70 years after their death. This means that the Lennon estate will stop receiving songwriter royalties in 2250, including on those songs credited Lennon/McCartney, whereas the McCartney estate will still be getting for the majority of the rest of this century, and depending on how long-lived Paul is, and he's looking like he's got at least a good couple of decades in him yet, probably into the next century.

Makes you wonder if, closer to that 2250 cut-off, moves might not be made to change that 70-year rule on multi-authored works to kicking in for all when the last writer passes. It does seem strange that, for instance, the McCartneys will continue to earn a writing royalty on Give Peace a Chance for many decades more than the Lennons. It does also throw up the strange anomaly of, so far as the writing copyright goes, the Lennon/McCartney songs will spend a period when they are half in copyright, and half out.

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trcanberra, has this appeared at the Aussie iTunes store yet?

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mja6758 said
trcanberra, has this appeared at the Aussie iTunes store yet?

I haven't looked sorry – I don't have iTunes on my computer (you may have read elsewhere how I just LOVE it sooooo much :)   ).  I'll boot up my wife's PC and have a look – she has an iphone so I think she uses it.  Back soon.

 

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mja6758 said
trcanberra, has this appeared at the Aussie iTunes store yet?

Yes – $15.50 for the lot, $2.20 per track – quite a savings for the lot eh?  :)

Might buy it at that price.

 

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Thanks for that! That would seem to indicate that it's doing something like a New Year's Eve/New Year's Day rollout, and that it's going to be a worldwide release.

I'd grab it as quick as you can! It could turn out to be available for a very short time, and however long it is up for, it is 59 officially released tracks.

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