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12.10am
9 May 2012
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I hope you all don't mind of not quoting posts as it gets a bit messy so I will just type a nickname that I am replying to.
@meanmistermustar
We can be civilized, but if someone tries to be funny with smarta** comments, then that someone can't expect respect in the discussion, I hope you agree.
@ISD
Exactly, I don't mind of calling Paul "a driving force behing Sgt. Pepper" but I got a impression that some stated that Paul only contributed to that album even though two (IMO) most epic songs were primarily written by John, and John's voice gave that psychedelic atmosphere of the album.
Also you have to admit that even though with all these laziness you are talking about, he made some wonderful contribution, now that is what is called a genius 
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@PaulsBass
To be honest, I never saw any, but of course I can't say there isn't one.
I stated that maybe I am too much biased because I like John's voice most, but that really it's mostly a tie on every album (beside Let It Be obviously). You mate, are much more biased than I ever can be.
My frustrations? Did I started making stupid remarks about discovering a LSD reference? I though I could maybe make this discussion more pleasant with a bit of smile as I didn't get too emotionally in this discussion, which can't be said about you.
I think you don't understand what I mean by Johns psychodelic contribituion, it's his voice and overdub of one, but meh never mind, to someone psychodelic is only tambura and other Indian instruments. It looks like Indians were psychodelic before it was popular (hipster Indians).
Anyway ad acta.
1.25am
1 May 2011
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The best way is not to react when you feel you have been provoked, insulted, belittled or whatever. Turn the other cheek etc. Either let it go or offer a kind word. Debate, discuss and disagree but none of this stuff is worth getting worked up over.
5.48am
12 March 2010
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Long John Silver said
I hope you all don't mind of not quoting posts as it gets a bit messy so I will just type a nickname that I am replying to.
Good decision.
Unfortunately you forgot to reply to the two postings that really mattered:
The Beatles Bassist (OP) who explained to you how you assumed wrong about this discussion being primarily about the songs (like I said).
Into the sky with Diamonds who quoted your idol thus rebuffing any attempt of making Pepper a John album (like I said). Why do you want to give something to someone who doesn't even want it?
You also didn't elaborate your thoughts about the guitar solos.
I won't comment on your personal remarks.
The LSD joke? Sorry, but this is the Beatles Bible. Don't you think EVERYONE here has heard of the "LSD" reference in the song title?
And no one here stated that ONLY Paul contributed to Pepper (I guess that's what you meant). Getting that impression is another sign of being too biased.
It's funny how a lot of John fans tend to attack other fans because they feel they want to take something away from John when all the Paul fans do is reacting to attempts of taking something away from Paul…
Musically I find it hard to understand how someone would find a single backing vocal a more psychedelic element than an Indian instrument which was still unusual and VERY psychedelic.
But if you feel like that, totally fine!
And of course I said nowhere that the tamboura is the ONLY psychedelic element.
Just stick to the facts, kid.
Sorry this dispute got so long, that wasn't necessary at all, imo.
3.58pm
4 December 2010
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Going to give my answers to the OP:
PPM: John by a slender margin. The stand out songs for me are Please Please Me (mostly John), I Saw Her Standing There (mostly Paul), and Twist And Shout (contributions from all four, but what makes it a great track is John's vocal).
WTB: I'll pass on this one as I have only listened to it a few times. If forced I'd go with Paul because of All My Loving.
AHDN: John
Beatles For Sale: my favourite track of the first two years is I'm A Loser, and I also love Eight Days A Week and No Reply, whereas I'm not fond of any of Paul's songs from here. John.
Help!: I think all the Lennon-McCartney compositions are of similar quality, except Help! and Yesterday. Too close, another draw between John and Paul.
Rubber Soul: very close again, John shades it this time though thanks to In My Life
Revolver: Definitely George, this album has the cohesion it does because of his guitar and sitar parts. A real team effort though, all four Beatles and George Martin would be credible selections
Sgt Pepper: Paul provides the concept and most songs, but tbh I don't think the concept enhances the album very much in retrospect. I also don't rate Paul's songs very highly, though his contribution to A Day In The Life is excellent. Doubtless Paul is responsible for Sgt Pepper's reputation, and his best songs are better than most of John's… I don't know, I don't want to give it to any one of the Beatles really. George Martin then, for his excellent scores for WYWY and ADitL and production generally.
The White Album: again this is blooming hard. To make it easier I'm going to ignore the weakest songs and concentrate on strengths Paul contributes great bass lines and some really good songs. John also contributes great songs and his picking guitar style that he learned from Donovan enhances several songs. George has some great guitar parts, writes the best song on the album and also writes a couple of other songs I like. Ringo drums excellently throughout, except at the start of course, and Don't Pass Me By is better than a lot of the Lennon/McCartney songs on the album. I'd probably have to go with Paul, strong song contributions are similar to John but his contributions on instruments are better.
Let It Be: Billy, then George, then Paul, Ringo, John.
Abbey Road: Paul for the medley.
Going to award Paul 3/4 for WTB and J/P half each for Help!
Scores: John 4.75, Paul 3.25, George 1, George Martin 1, Billy 1.
4.16pm
9 May 2012
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meanmistermustard said
The best way is not to react when you feel you have been provoked, insulted, belittled or whatever. Turn the other cheek etc. Either let it go or offer a kind word. Debate, discuss and disagree but none of this stuff is worth getting worked up over.
You are right .
paulsbass said
Long John Silver said
I hope you all don't mind of not quoting posts as it gets a bit messy so I will just type a nickname that I am replying to.
Good decision.
Unfortunately you forgot to reply to the two postings that really mattered:
The Beatles Bassist (OP) who explained to you how you assumed wrong about this discussion being primarily about the songs (like I said).
Into the sky with Diamonds who quoted your idol thus rebuffing any attempt of making Pepper a John album (like I said). Why do you want to give something to someone who doesn't even want it?
You also didn't elaborate your thoughts about the guitar solos.
I won't comment on your personal remarks.
The LSD joke? Sorry, but this is the Beatles Bible. Don't you think EVERYONE here has heard of the "LSD" reference in the song title?
And no one here stated that ONLY Paul contributed to Pepper (I guess that's what you meant). Getting that impression is another sign of being too biased.
It's funny how a lot of John fans tend to attack other fans because they feel they want to take something away from John when all the Paul fans do is reacting to attempts of taking something away from Paul…
Musically I find it hard to understand how someone would find a single backing vocal a more psychedelic element than an Indian instrument which was still unusual and VERY psychedelic.
But if you feel like that, totally fine!
And of course I said nowhere that the tamboura is the ONLY psychedelic element.
Just stick to the facts, kid.
Sorry this dispute got so long, that wasn't necessary at all, imo.
LSD part was funny to me because I never wrote it in any discussion (this is the only Beatles forum I participate) but nevermind that, I just didn't like your reaction. Since you call me a kid, you are probably a lot older than me, in which case it makes it even more inappropriate.
Yeah I saw Bassists post, and by that most of the albums will be Pauls as he was the one that kind of took it after Brian, but music wise they were pretty much equal on most albums and that is what comes in my mind when someone says "strongest beatle per album". It all comes to an opinion, I mean to someone Ringo was the strongest Beatles per every album, or George. I like listening to Pauls songs on SgtP because of his collabartion with John (which can be kind of vice versa).
About psychedelic stuff, I can't really imagine Paul singing LSD, the same goes for e.g. for John and Yesterday. Their voice suited their style. Wasn't the George one that brought sitar during the Rubber Soul sessions? Shouldn't he be most praised about using of Indian instruments?
I am actually glad the discussion went this way, and it should be done with every album. It makes it more interesting to read rather than just listing albums and names, don't you think?
5.45pm
26 March 2012
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The Walrus said
Beatles For Sale: my favourite track of the first two years is I'm A Loser, and I also love Eight Days A Week and No Reply, whereas I'm not fond of any of Paul's songs from here. John.
Even What You're Doing? I've always thought that song was hugely underrated.
Let It Be: Billy, then George, then Paul, Ringo, John.
Very interesting opinion putting Billy Preston as strongest. I'd always thought how cool it would be if Let It Be was released by "The Beatles and Billy Preston." The guy was surely a great keyboardist and it's great how he brought the old magic back to the studio when he joined them at Abbey Road.
7.07pm
12 March 2010
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Long John Silver said
Yeah I saw Bassists post, and by that most of the albums will be Pauls as he was the one that kind of took it after Brian, but music wise they were pretty much equal on most albums and that is what comes in my mind when someone says "strongest beatle per album". It all comes to an opinion, I mean to someone Ringo was the strongest Beatles per every album, or George. I like listening to Pauls songs on SgtP because of his collabartion with John (which can be kind of vice versa).
Nothing wrong with different opinions, only when someone vehemently insists of an opinion that is strongly against all facts it will evoke some comments. (Had a "discussion" once with a guy who said that George was the best bassist in the Beatles…)
Everyone's free to think of Ringo as being the strongest Beatle, but the objective facts will reduce that opinion to him being more like the "personal favourite" Beatle, and – depending on the posters attitude – others might bring this to him more or less friendly.
I like their collaborations as well, of course, they made them what they were.
About psychedelic stuff, I can't really imagine Paul singing LSD, the same goes for e.g. for John and Yesterday. Their voice suited their style.
Paul's voice is actually quite strong in the chorus, but I know what you mean and of course I agree. Paul – being one of the most versatile singers ever – still had his own share of psychedelic vocals (Fixing a hole most prominently on this album, and of course the "aaaah" on ADITL).
Wasn't the George one that brought sitar during the Rubber Soul sessions? Shouldn't he be most praised about using of Indian instruments?
Yep, and I never gave praise to anyone else for that, just pointed out it wasn't primarily John who made the album that psychedelic.
I am actually glad the discussion went this way, and it should be done with every album. It makes it more interesting to read rather than just listing albums and names, don't you think?
No problem with in-depth discussions.
Only keep in mind that strong or strict opinions might get you strong or strict reactions.
And of course I tend to patronize people from time to time, I can still work on that.
Got myself my fair share of patronizing over the years and I'm still alive. 
8.47pm
4 December 2010
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paulsbass said
Long John Silver said
Yeah I saw Bassists post, and by that most of the albums will be Pauls as he was the one that kind of took it after Brian, but music wise they were pretty much equal on most albums and that is what comes in my mind when someone says "strongest beatle per album". It all comes to an opinion, I mean to someone Ringo was the strongest Beatles per every album, or George. I like listening to Pauls songs on SgtP because of his collabartion with John (which can be kind of vice versa).
Nothing wrong with different opinions, only when someone vehemently insists of an opinion that is strongly against all facts it will evoke some comments. (Had a "discussion" once with a guy who said that George was the best bassist in the Beatles…)
This from the man who thinks Paul sang the vocal bridges in ADitL.
Ben Ramon said
The Walrus said
Beatles For Sale: my favourite track of the first two years is I'm A Loser, and I also love Eight Days A Week and No Reply, whereas I'm not fond of any of Paul's songs from here. John.
Even What You're Doing? I've always thought that song was hugely underrated.
I quite like the Drive Me Car/What You're Doing/The Word medley on Love. The original sounds tame in comparison. I like the guitar riff (Paul's?) and the opening and closing drums (also Paul's?)
9.09pm
4 September 2010
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Not familiar enough with Please Please Me, With the Beatles or Beatles for Sale to say which Beatle is the strongest.
A Hard Day's Night: John definitely
Help!: John again for Ticket to Ride, but Paul is close behind.
Rubber Soul: John, for In My Life, Norwegian Wood.
Revolver: John and Paul equally. John for the experimental She Said She Said and TNK, Paul for some perfect songwriting.
Sgt. Peppers: Very much Paul's album, but I think John has the strongest song(s).
White Album: John and George. John for Julia and HISWG, George for Long Long Long and WMGGW.
Let it Be: Paul.
Abbey Road: George.
(MMT EP: Paul)
9.46pm
12 March 2010
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The Walrus said
This from the man who thinks Paul sang the vocal bridges in ADitL.
Don't worry, I noticed the wink.
And I don't THINK he sings the bridge (there's just one) I KNOW it, since it's on the record, you can HEAR it!
Seriously, I never expected that much controversy about that subject nor did I expect a majority of posters to have a different opinion about it or take this small part that seriously.
Sometimes you just get taken by surprise by the amount of mayhem an innocent posting can cause…
12.14am
9 May 2012
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paulsbass said
Long John Silver said
Yeah I saw Bassists post, and by that most of the albums will be Pauls as he was the one that kind of took it after Brian, but music wise they were pretty much equal on most albums and that is what comes in my mind when someone says "strongest beatle per album". It all comes to an opinion, I mean to someone Ringo was the strongest Beatles per every album, or George. I like listening to Pauls songs on SgtP because of his collabartion with John (which can be kind of vice versa).
Nothing wrong with different opinions, only when someone vehemently insists of an opinion that is strongly against all facts it will evoke some comments. (Had a "discussion" once with a guy who said that George was the best bassist in the Beatles…)
Everyone's free to think of Ringo as being the strongest Beatle, but the objective facts will reduce that opinion to him being more like the "personal favourite" Beatle, and – depending on the posters attitude – others might bring this to him more or less friendly.
I like their collaborations as well, of course, they made them what they were.
About psychedelic stuff, I can't really imagine Paul singing LSD, the same goes for e.g. for John and Yesterday. Their voice suited their style.
Paul's voice is actually quite strong in the chorus, but I know what you mean and of course I agree. Paul – being one of the most versatile singers ever – still had his own share of psychedelic vocals (Fixing a hole most prominently on this album, and of course the "aaaah" on ADITL).
Wasn't the George one that brought sitar during the Rubber Soul sessions? Shouldn't he be most praised about using of Indian instruments?
Yep, and I never gave praise to anyone else for that, just pointed out it wasn't primarily John who made the album that psychedelic.
I am actually glad the discussion went this way, and it should be done with every album. It makes it more interesting to read rather than just listing albums and names, don't you think?
No problem with in-depth discussions.
Only keep in mind that strong or strict opinions might get you strong or strict reactions.
And of course I tend to patronize people from time to time, I can still work on that.
Got myself my fair share of patronizing over the years and I'm still alive.
Great post . Anyway Paul sang the "ahh" part on ADL? Now I am confused, it doesn't sound like him.
1.26am
10 August 2011
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DoctorRobert said, "Revolver: John and Paul equally. John for the experimental She Said She Said and TNK"
There are a number of aspects to "Tomorrow Never Knows" that are original/experimental.
One of those is the recurring tape loops/sounds effects; but that's Paul (with Mal Evans running from one tape recorder to another).
5.38am
12 March 2010
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Long John Silver said
Anyway Paul sang the "ahh" part on ADL? Now I am confused, it doesn't sound like him.
It's hard to tell in the whole mix, but the isolated vocal tracks reveal it's Paul.
Still, for many people that's evidence it's John.
We had quite an engaged discussion about that:
http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo…..l-or-john/
I got some of them convinced, at least
(I think Joe closed the thread at the end or something…)
11.41am
26 March 2012
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paulsbass said
Long John Silver said
Anyway Paul sang the "ahh" part on ADL? Now I am confused, it doesn't sound like him.
It's hard to tell in the whole mix, but the isolated vocal tracks reveal it's Paul.
Still, for many people that's evidence it's John.
We had quite an engaged discussion about that:
http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo…..l-or-john/
I got some of them convinced, at least
To me, it sounds like John and Paul together- rather like the "she loves you yeah yeah yeah" joke at the end of All You Need is Love. There are certain moments when it really sounds like John's more "nasal" voice, but also times when it sounds like Paul's brightness on the higher notes. Still, don't wish to dig up old arguments, I'm happy believing it's either of them.
12.40pm
9 May 2012
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paulsbass said
Long John Silver said
Anyway Paul sang the "ahh" part on ADL? Now I am confused, it doesn't sound like him.
It's hard to tell in the whole mix, but the isolated vocal tracks reveal it's Paul.
Still, for many people that's evidence it's John.
We had quite an engaged discussion about that:
http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo…..l-or-john/
I got some of them convinced, at least
Yeah I saw that. When I search the Google, the first link with the Paul clamming was your nickname 
. It doesn't matter that much, I guess we can't confirm it 100%. How come none one (journalist I mean) asked The Beatles who sang that part as it is very important part of the song? We should write Paul a letter xD.
12.47pm
1 May 2011
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I always thought it was John but having listened to the multitracks (both leaked studio and rock band) Paul is definately in there. So its probably both with it being multitracked and effects added. Without going back to the original tapes and hearing how it was recorded step by step its impossible to know exactly.
When folks meet Paul their brains must go mush regarding what to ask? Unless its a specific beatle related thing you'd have to talk about his latest release (whatever that might be). Its a shame most people ask the same questions "Lennon, what a great bloke, what was he like?" being one.
There are another billion things you could ask; "where you still on anything when recording the Frog Song?" would be one of mine – not that i'd ever get past the weird vocal noises, drippling down my chin, and trying to remember to breathe to stay alive.
6.49pm
9 May 2012
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meanmistermustard said
I always thought it was John but having listened to the multitracks (both leaked studio and rock band) Paul is definately in there. So its probably both with it being multitracked and effects added. Without going back to the original tapes and hearing how it was recorded step by step its impossible to know exactly.
When folks meet Paul their brains must go mush regarding what to ask? Unless its a specific beatle related thing you'd have to talk about his latest release (whatever that might be). Its a shame most people ask the same questions "Lennon, what a great bloke, what was he like?" being one.
There are another billion things you could ask; "where you still on anything when recording the Frog Song?" would be one of mine – not that i'd ever get past the weird vocal noises, drippling down my chin, and trying to remember to breathe to stay alive.
Yeah I guess, but they had 50 years to ask him . In a lot of interviews I hear the same questions and the same answers.
8.06pm
1 May 2011
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Long John Silver said
meanmistermustard said
I always thought it was John but having listened to the multitracks (both leaked studio and rock band) Paul is definately in there. So its probably both with it being multitracked and effects added. Without going back to the original tapes and hearing how it was recorded step by step its impossible to know exactly.When folks meet Paul their brains must go mush regarding what to ask? Unless its a specific beatle related thing you'd have to talk about his latest release (whatever that might be). Its a shame most people ask the same questions "Lennon, what a great bloke, what was he like?" being one.
There are another billion things you could ask; "where you still on anything when recording the Frog Song?" would be one of mine – not that i'd ever get past the weird vocal noises, drippling down my chin, and trying to remember to breathe to stay alive.
Yeah I guess, but they had 50 years to ask him
They asked the beatles the same questions over and over for years when they were together, especially on tour, so why change the habit of a 50 year period? Surprised they still dont ask about the beatles getting back together. Actually that whole olympic hologram idea…
10.27pm
9 May 2012
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meanmistermustard said
Long John Silver said
meanmistermustard said
I always thought it was John but having listened to the multitracks (both leaked studio and rock band) Paul is definately in there. So its probably both with it being multitracked and effects added. Without going back to the original tapes and hearing how it was recorded step by step its impossible to know exactly.When folks meet Paul their brains must go mush regarding what to ask? Unless its a specific beatle related thing you'd have to talk about his latest release (whatever that might be). Its a shame most people ask the same questions "Lennon, what a great bloke, what was he like?" being one.
There are another billion things you could ask; "where you still on anything when recording the Frog Song?" would be one of mine – not that i'd ever get past the weird vocal noises, drippling down my chin, and trying to remember to breathe to stay alive.
Yeah I guess, but they had 50 years to ask him
They asked the beatles the same questions over and over for years when they were together, especially on tour, so why change the habit of a 50 year period? Surprised they still dont ask about the beatles getting back together. Actually that whole olympic hologram idea…
I think i heard 100 times "when we sang I'd love to turn you on, we gave each other that look", yeah great but what about the other parts of the song 
.
2.49am
3 March 2012
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To me this is not too tough. It’s John through Rubber Soul then things get interesting and George flexes some muscle. So… moving beyond RS.
Revolver: Paul. His songs coupled with his contributions to his Beatle brothers (loops on TNK) give him the edge. I actually think George nearly takes number 2 just for sitting down for 5 hours and figuring out the backward guitar for forwards for I’m only sleeping! That was something.
Pepper: Paul’s baby as John said… though John is very strong.
MMT: Paul
White Album: It’s Paul but it’s very close.
Yellow Submarine: George
Abbey Road: George has the top two tracks but it’s Paul by a hair.
LIB: Paul and Billy P!
All that being said? They’re absolute crap without Paul. And John. And George. And Ringo. And you know what? That other guy George too. And not the hologram ones either. And certainly not Phil Spector (or hologram Phil as circumstance dictates 
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