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Paul McCartneys "RAM" vs John Lennons "Imagine"
13 January 2013
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meanmistermustard
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How Do You Sleep isnt as poorly executed as Steel and Glass which was Johns swipe at Klein. John's vocal on the S&G outtake on the Anthology is good but the lyrics are awful. At least some thought went into the lyrics on HDYS as well as some great guitar from George and the string swirls. There is a really good outtake out there, Take 2, with a great shout from John of "Nicky" for Nicky H to play a solo as well "hit it George".

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13 January 2013
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Funny Paper said
What does "and you broke it in two mean"?]

Paul's blaming John for their "break-up"…?

I took it to be Paul saying that songs like Cold Turkey and the stunts John was doing with Yoko were a waste of time for someone so famous, much like "and since you're gone you're just Another Day" from How Do You Sleep?

Alternatively, it could be that Paul really was only directing a couple of lines ("preaching practices- don't let them tell you what you wanna be!") at John, rather than the whole song and most of Ram like Lennon assumed.

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13 January 2013
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"You broke it in two" I believe is just a lyrical expression meaning that John took the Beatles (his lucky break – no doubt both their lucky breaks)  and broke it – wrecked it.

Regarding RAM versus Imagine, it's funny but while I consider myself more of a Lennon fan than a McCartney fan, RAM is constantly in my music rotation while I can't remember the last time I listened to the Imagine album.

Now if it was RAM versus Plastic Ono Band – in my opinion – RAM doesn't even come close to that masterpiece.

Just my thoughts

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14 January 2013
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"broke it in two" could be more poignant than that -- John broke apart the Lennon/McCartney relationship and all that meant musically (if not in more ways).  Paul may have meant (and felt) this, at the time.

 

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14 January 2013
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Wasn't '3 Legs' also a shot at John and The Beatles?

14 January 2013
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It wasn't more poignant. It's worth reading Joe's entries on the album and songs. He includes lots of relevant quotes. This one comes from a 1984 Playboy interview with McCartney:

"I was looking at my second solo album, Ram, the other day and I remember there was one tiny little reference to John in the whole thing. He'd been doing a lot of preaching, and it got up my nose a little bit. In one song, I wrote, "Too many people preaching practices," I think is the line. I mean, that was a little dig at John and Yoko. There wasn't anything else on it that was about them. Oh, there was 'Yoko took your lucky break and broke it in two'."

McCartney likes to be liked, he likes the image of being the "nice Beatle", and you can hear him playing down the messages he was sending. You have to put the whole thing into the context of what was happening at the time. Lennon and McCartney were conducting a war of words across the pages of Melody Maker, and it spilled over into their songwriting. It was an ugly divorce played out in public, and both showed less appealing aspects of their characters over its course.

 

EDIT: The above appeared while I was typing this. "3 Legs" was seen as a comment on The Beatles' split. Strange thing is, John pointed to this as a Paul song he liked.

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16 January 2013
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tkj said
For some reason I always compare these two albums in my head, probably because of Paul and Johns rivalry at this point. Pauls "Too Many People" and Johns "How Do You Sleep?" etc. 

These are two very good albums, alot of great stuff on both. But, the winner imo is Pauls "RAM". I love all the songs on this album, except maybe the second half of "The Back Seat Of My Car" (The "Ohh we believe that we cant be long" part..) 
I also like almost every song on Johns album, but I find Pauls more creative. 

What?  "The Back Seat of my Car" is my favourite song on the album and the "we believe that we cant be long" is my favourite part of the song!

I agree with everything else you 've said though. I like Imagine but Ram is an amazing record. Just the vocal harmonies on "Dear Boy" are enough to justify my choise to vote for Ram on the poll.

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16 January 2013
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"What?  "The Back Seat of my Car" is my favourite song on the album and the "we believe that we cant be long" is my favourite part of the song!"

 

I agree.  It never ceases to amaze me that people have different tastes!  All seriousness aside, I don't mind variety (it's the spice of life, after all), but it's sometimes dismaying when someone positively dislikes or disdains something clearly excellent.  "Subjectivity" is the bane of the post-modern world.

 

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24 January 2013
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I Me Mine said

What?  "The Back Seat of my Car" is my favourite song on the album and the "we believe that we cant be long" is my favourite part of the song!

 

Me too!  a-hard-days-night-paul-8

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24 January 2013
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Isn't it "we believe that we can't be *wrong*?"

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24 January 2013
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DrBeatle said
Isn't it "we believe that we can't be *wrong*?"

You're right, I didn't even notice that until now..

"..Turn off your mind relax and float down stream... It is not dying.."

24 January 2013
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24 January 2013
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I also like "Wrong-Haired Lady"…a-hard-days-night-paul-5

 

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