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Is this it or....?
28 February 2012
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 Hi, it's me! :D

 Well, I don't know about you, but I found a lot of the stuff in 2009 to be a big let down. Especially The Beatles: Rock Band, but I will go into that in another post. The stereo remasters, I found them, almost them same.

 There wasn't much different, somethings weren't as good. I still am a little confused on the whole "impossible to do I Am The Walrus in true stereo."

So, do you think this is it though? Do you think Apple has basically finished off The Beatles with these remasters? Or do you think, or hope like me, that there will be newer remasters in the future?

Oh by the way, I read somewhere that if the booklet of Magical Mystery Tour isn't attached to the CD case, it's a knock-off, is this true?

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28 February 2012
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The IATW thing: as I understand it they added a live feed from a BBC radio broadcast of King Lear while mixing it in mono. When they came to do the stereo mix they couldn't grab the Lear audio again - it was all done live - so only half of the 'stereo' mix is actually in true stereo.

From the entrance of the radio signal (around the "Sitting in an English garden" point) they created a 'fake stereo' version, which involved cutting the treble from one channel and the bass in the other to try to fool listeners into thinking it was still true stereo.

What do you mean about the MMT booklet? None of them are attached to the cases - they can all be removed.

The mixes in the remasters should mostly be the same, apart from some of those albums that George Martin remixed in the 1980s (Help, Rubber Soul). The Abbey Road team didn't change the balance or go back to the multitrack tapes at all. However, the mastering (sound quality) is so much better on the 2009 releases. Do you not think?

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28 February 2012
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The IATW thing: Yeah, I knew that. But I assumed that they could fix that when it was digitally remastered, they did it for the Anthology so why is this any different?

 

I saw a picture online showing that the booklet of Magical Mystery Tour was attached to the inside of the case. Also, all the of them come in a plastic sleeve so you don't smudge the CD which was another thing I wish mine came with. I'm guessing this is only for the mono version?

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29 February 2012
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By the way, I edited my first post, I added something I forgot to type.

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29 February 2012
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Would have to have a look at the mono cd, cant remember how its presented in the box.

 

The idea with the 2009 Remasters was to be as loyal to the original recordings as possible and not to include remixes of any of the songs (there was a lot of complaint when Yellow Submarine Songtrack (YSS) came out with people saying that Beatle history was being messed with since it wasnt what the Beatles originally put out. On the other hand some people feel that some of the tracks on the YSS album are superior to the original mixes (eg Eleanor Rigby)). An arguement against that could be the Help! and Rubber Soul stereo cd's which have the 1987 George Martin remixes, now viewed as being the superior official mixes. (Another album that features remixes is Let It Be Naked.)

Anyway the 2009 remasters were done to remove all the 'grim and dirt' and to return the 'gems' to their original gleam. Whatever or not there will be further remixes remains to be seen.

 

I hope that makes sense.

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29 February 2012
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Straight remasters are out of the question - I wouldn't buy them. And frankly? I wouldn't buy remixes either. It might sound "better" but I wouldn't care.

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29 February 2012
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I'm not saying remastering. (But I do sort of prefer the Yellow Submarine Soundtrack version of Hey Bulldog over the stereo Yellow Submarine version.) But more of like something along the lines of like how they did Let It Be Naked, why not a version of Sgt. Pepper that includes Strawberry Fields Forever Take 1, but Take 1 with the backing vocals (which I cannot find remastered other than Love, but I want it all the way through.) and make a new version of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds that includes the vocals alternate John vocals (that appear in the Anthology, not the Jeremy ones,) and the instruments of the Sgt. Pepper version, and so on. I'd buy that. :)

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29 February 2012
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Maybe we'll see something in tandem with the respective 50th Anniversary of each album, that seems to be how most artists release their back catalogues nowadays. You get the normal edition, followed by a special edition, delux edition, super delux edition, and finally the uber-mega superduper incredulous 45 cd release. However The Beatles are not most bands and Apple dont normally follow the line, they do things differently so who knows what they will do. Maybe they will be so different and do nothing.

 

On a slightly different note whilst it may not be official a lot of bootlegs and studio outtakes, bbc sessions, demo's etc are being put out there as unofficial remasters by fans and they are really good. Its painstaking work for them but they are declicking, depopping, speedcorrecting, and doing whatever else deemed appropriate to inprove the listening experience (im not one who's doing it). A true labour of love.

Additionally there are now bootleg series that bring together all known recordings from each album in the best possible quality so that fans arent having to search for long forgotten vinyl or pay $40 for some crappy cd from the 90's for one song or even worse the slate call of a Take. Purple Chick did it with the Studio albums as well as the bbc recordings and live performances, and Lazy Tortoise covered interviews, and demo's.  However a lot of upgrades and a handful of new recordings have since been unearthed which means that they are slightly out of date. They're not perfect but still a treasure trove for fans and still very enjoyable.

A label called Helter Skelter has so far reached Rubber Soul in its 'Back To Basics' series compiling all known mixes and outtakes of the studio albums and looks likely to continue with the other later albums (as a rule it doesn't include the 2009 remasters or the US Capitol boxes). And the Hobnail label has put out better versions of the Hamburg recordings, BBC shows, the It's The Beatles tv show from 1963, and the Royal Variety Performance from the same year.

Thats how it may be for fans who want to hear the outtakes in good quality.

(On a person note i think folks are mad to go and buy bootlegs when fans are distributing them freely online (unless folks like the cd in their hands which is fair enough). You just have to go and find them, which is quite a task in itself. Plus bootlegs are wrong and naughty - thats for the lawyers).

 

And that probably doesnt answer any section of this thread.stay-on-topic

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1 March 2012
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Of course I know about bootlegs, silly. :) (Go Purple Chick!)

I have all the deluxe Beatle albums. But I'm not talking about bootlegs, you don't understand. I'm saying something advertised, you know, official releases.

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11 March 2012
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But still, why could they put the Anthology DVD version of I Am The Walrus on the 2009 remasters?

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11 March 2012
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The 2009 remaster switches to mono, its not the same mix as the Anthology dvd.

Apple wont include remixes as its viewed as playing about with the beatles official cannon. They will put out remixes but they are not to be seen as replacing whats on the 14 set in stone studio albums as released in 1987 (PPM -> LIB + Past Masters).

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16 March 2012
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Thank you Mr. Mustard, I understand that. But my main concern in all of this is, if these are basically as cleaned up as possible, is this the last thing Apple will have in store for us? (Beatle-wise)

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16 March 2012
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There is more to come. As technology develops and society changes new ways and means will be utilised. What they are who knows but no one would have thought Love or Rock Band would exist even in the early 2000's.

Plus the record companies make an absolute fortune from Beatle releases so they're not going to let it simply sit there. EMI's financial situation was horrendous before the 2009 reissues so they will be constantly looking, and pressing, Apple for something, anything to bring cash in (the reissues didnt completely solve EMI's cash issues but they certainly helped).

 

The Apple vaults are packed with material (promo's, live (music and footage), demo's, outtakes (music/movie/tv) etc)), plus alternate mixes will be put out eventually so fans can better understand how their music was recorded, and the obligatory compilations.  Beatles documentaries will be made by so many people/companies for so many reasons.

It will be over many many years however.  And who's to say that in 50 years time it wont be possible to mix your own version of a Beatles song from the masters by simple thought.

 

The Beatles are too big and mean far too much to far too many people to be put away in a cupboard.

 

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Another way to look at it is that if Apple want to keep selling and licensing merchandise its imperative they create new fans thru new current projects who will go out and buy it. There is no point in being 20 years behind the times (not that Apple dont have a track record of being slow in embracing new ways of distributing music). Thankfully it appears that Dhani has got some input in Apple (being the driving force in getting Rock Band out there) and hopefully over the coming years more creative and open minds will be added to the Beatles Apple Empire. Tho there is still the requirement of Paul, Yoko, Ringo and Olivia all agreeing on any release before anything can happen.

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