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5.35pm
1 May 2010
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I like this discussion, I'd suggest starting a seperate thread for it but I don't think we could possibly live up to this debut. 
Many great points have been made, Sun King brought up S&G and another example would be Bob Dylan. While his debut didn't necessarily flop, it still was miles away from what was to come. Imagine a music world without Dylan, now that's depressing.
I think you just have to get lucky, almost every bands story is the same, but take the Beatles. Had one particular thing happened differently or not happened at all, who knows what could have changed?
So bands nowadays have to find that one producer or have that one thing happen to them which triggers something else which leads to this or that. Following that success up is all about finding a fanbase and trying to please both yourself artistically and your fans. That's what made the Beatles great, they could stray away from the norms but still keep that connection.
I also don't know if enough people care about good music anymore. My friend listens to a ton of stuff but he won't check out anything older, so when someone like the Arctic Monkeys makes a bad album, it's more like an 'oh well' than anything else. He and many others haven't realized the weath of music available to them, so they don't demand anything more.
At the end of the day, it comes down to dollars and cents, if a record label can make money putting out lightweight pop or if a band can make money by just making the same song over and over again because their fans don't demand more, why would they stop?
It's easy to get complacent once you've had some initial success.
5.52pm
19 September 2010
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The only band I can think of who had 2 truly great opening albums is Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. I wrote this on the USA discog about Capitol, but it really works here as well: At Capitol, the dollar speaks louder than artistic integrity or intelligence. Replace Capitol with any other label, and that rings true. Gnik, you said something about being complacent. And that is true. Why stretch your mind if you think that's the be all end all? Because most likely it isn't. I thought the Beatles were it. They're not. I love so many more bands now then 8 months ago. I was talking to a friend about hockey, and he said this: "If the player isn't good enough to make the roster of the best team in the league, don't play him." Well, if you wouldn't buy the record you created, then fix it and make it better. Artistic integrity is the missing ingredient.
5.15am
30 June 2011
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Mccartneys Flaming Pie and Off the ground
11.23pm
4 December 2010
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GniknuS said:
Many great points have been made, Sun King brought up S&G and another example would be Bob Dylan. While his debut didn't necessarily flop, it still was miles away from what was to come. Imagine a music world without Dylan, now that's depressing.
From Wikipedia: The performances on his first Columbia album, Bob Dylan (1962), consisted of familiar folk, blues and gospel material combined with two original compositions. The album made little impact, selling only 5,000 copies in its first year, just enough to break even. Within Columbia Records, some referred to the singer as "Hammond's Folly" and suggested dropping his contract. Hammond defended Dylan vigorously.
Thank goodness for John Hammond.
I'd add Arcade Fire and Oasis to the "outstanding debut and sophomore" list.
5.49pm
10 May 2011
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The Walrus said:
GniknuS said:
Many great points have been made, Sun King brought up S&G and another example would be Bob Dylan. While his debut didn't necessarily flop, it still was miles away from what was to come. Imagine a music world without Dylan, now that's depressing.
From Wikipedia:
The performances on his first Columbia album, Bob Dylan (1962), consisted of familiar folk, blues and gospel material combined with two original compositions. The album made little impact, selling only 5,000 copies in its first year, just enough to break even. Within Columbia Records, some referred to the singer as "Hammond's Folly" and suggested dropping his contract. Hammond defended Dylan vigorously
Now Dylan is a real artist….. 
6.30pm
19 September 2010
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What constitutes a real artist? Dylan is no more real then any other musician.
10.41pm
13 July 2011
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Venus & Mars – McCartney 
10.44pm
19 September 2010
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bluemeanies said:
Venus & Mars – McCartney
Other then the first 3 songs and Listen to What The Man Said, it's insufferable. My answer to the original question is, probably, All Things Must Pss.
9.15am
10 May 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:
All Things Must Pss.
Even the 'a' have to pass away!!!
8.11pm
14 November 2011
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Paul :Flaming Pie
John : Plastic Ono Band or Imagine
George :All Things Must Pass
Ringo : Liverpool 8
9.55pm
1 May 2011
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Following TMK's approach
Paul: Wings At The Speed Of Sound (there isnt 1 track that bugs me unlike all his others).
John: Plastic Ono Band
George: All Things Must Pass or Cloud Nine
Ringo: Ringo's Rotogravure (havent heard it the whole way thru for years as its not available online (and im not desperate enough to *cough* 'download' it) but the memories are of a really good album – better than Ringo).
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