Did the American arm of EMI (Capitol) ever get it right? | The albums | Fab forum

Please consider registering
Guest

Log In Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —

  

— Match —

   

— Forum Options —

   

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Did the American arm of EMI (Capitol) ever get it right?
23 August 2011
1.31am
Into the Sky with Diamonds
New York
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1302
Member Since:
10 August 2011
Offline

By and large, the British releases are the real thing.

The American albums were butchered versions of British releases (pardon the expression) or very uneven movie soundtracks.

BUT, Capitol was smart to release "Yesterday" as a single (simply relegated to song #13 on Help! in the UK).

Same for "Nowhere Man."

Any other good moves on the American side of the pond?

"Into the Sky with Diamonds" (the Beatles and the Race to the Moon – a history)
23 August 2011
1.35am
MeanMrsMustard
Nowhere Land
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2776
Member Since:
9 June 2010
Offline

I can't really answer, since I've only ever listened to the 9/9/9 remasters. (I do have a Capitol copy of Abbey Road, which is inexplicably a half-step higher than every other version of the songs I've heard.) 

I've looked at the track listings, and I think that the British versions were miles better. :D 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

23 August 2011
1.52am
skye
AZ
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2287
Member Since:
13 November 2009
Offline

Well, the US MMT is the official version. As for the rest, I'm sure they sound fine for people who heard the US versions first. I'm solidly in the cd generation, so UK for me.

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!
23 August 2011
1.55am
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9961
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Offline

I am a big fan of Beatles VI, to me its a great album that has a really good running order. Yesterday.. and Today is also a cool compilation, and i think the only Beatle album during the 60's that had 2 Ringo vocals apart from the double LP White Album. Meet The Beatles is meant to be one of the greatest albums ever as voted in the Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums (i think thats the right poll, there have been so many). However overall the UK albums have got a better feel to them, but maybe thats because im used to the UK versions. I know that a lot of people who grew up with the US variations say the same thing about the Capitol Albums.

Probably the exception is the Magical Mystery Tour album which was expanded from the uk 6 song ep into a 11 track album. Maybe Capitol could have done something with the Yellow Submarine album to improve it since its 4 new songs and 6 Martin pieces. But then Capitol cut up Revolver which was a massive error.

Its a little scary to think what they would have done to Pepper onwards if The Beatles hadnt insisted that the album releases be standardised before they re-signed to EMI in the beginning of 1967.

 

I heard the US mono mixes of I Feel Fine and She's A Woman earlier today and my word they are awful. So heavily drenched in echo that it does sound like the band are in a tin can. a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
23 August 2011
5.28pm
Inner Light
Friar Park
Candlestick Park
Forum Posts: 506
Member Since:
20 December 2010
Offline

I have always liked the American soundtracks to 'A Hard Day's Night' and 'Help!'

I personally like hearing the instrumental tracks from the movies. The american 'Help!' soundtrack was the first time I got to hear the Sitar which is an instrument that I have been in love with for 46 years.

The further one travels, the less one knows
24 August 2011
1.56am
Galeans
Italy
Casbah Coffee Club
Forum Posts: 20
Member Since:
18 August 2011
Offline

Generally the American albums are ripoffs, but there are interesting cases. "A Hard Day's Night" and "Help!" being the real soundtracks to the films, rather than the albums. The American "Help!" is on CD on "The Capitol Albums" boxset, the American "A Hard Day's Night" is not (it wasn't a Capitol album in the first place), but has been bootleged so many times (some look even legit) that you could find it even in regular shops if you are lucky.

 

Then there's "Yesterday and Today" which works surprisingly well as an album (it is no substitute to anything, though). This was omitted from "The Capitol Albums" and it's a bad omission, imho. I mean, I can understand the omission of the American "Revolver" since it's just the UK version missing 3 of its best tracks, but this is the best assembled album imho (not counting MMT of course).

 

Then there's of course "Magical Mystery Tour", the only one who became a official album and one of my top 3 Beatles albums.

 

By the way, imho a CD with George Martin's tracks from the American versions of "A Hard Day's Night" and "Help!" plus side B of "Yellow Submarine" and "A Beginning" from Anthology III would be pretty cool

"Oh no! What a mad blundering, incredibly handsome young nincompoop I've been! "
24 August 2011
11.00am
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9961
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Offline

A notable mention for Hey Jude (aka The Beatles Again). Some fine songs from the remaining non album singles; Dont Let Me Down, Old Brown Shoe, Ballad of John and Yoko, Rain.

 

Must not forget the 'essential' to any Beatles fan The Beatles Story. The greatest rip-off of any 'official' Beatles album.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
24 August 2011
12.53pm
Galeans
Italy
Casbah Coffee Club
Forum Posts: 20
Member Since:
18 August 2011
Offline

Oh yeah, I forgot about these two, though "Hey Jude" is now pretty useless with the two Past Masters.

 

"The Beatles' Story" is also bad mixed if I recall correctly: sometimes the interview is on one channel and the background music on the other. Still they should have released this in the box. I mean, why "Beatles VI" and not this?

"Oh no! What a mad blundering, incredibly handsome young nincompoop I've been! "
24 August 2011
1.22pm
kelicopter
Sitting in an English Garden
Shea Stadium
Forum Posts: 416
Member Since:
7 November 2010
Offline

I think I've done fine over here with just the British releases; the majority of the remaining singles are available on either the 1 compilation or the Past Masters. The Capitol releases just confuse me. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
"When I cannot sing my heart, I can only speak my mind."
24 August 2011
3.41pm
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9961
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Offline
10

Galeans said:

Oh yeah, I forgot about these two, though "Hey Jude" is now pretty useless with the two Past Masters.

 They are all pretty useless compared with the UK albums. And you'd still need A Hard Days Night for Cant Buy Me Love and I Should Have Known Better.

"The Beatles' Story" is also bad mixed if I recall correctly: sometimes the interview is on one channel and the background music on the other. Still they should have released this in the box. I mean, why "Beatles VI" and not this?

Beatles VI is an album with 11 songs, Beatles Story is interviews, commentary and brief clips of 1 or 2 songs, be it from the Hollywood Bowl concert. No real comparison.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
25 August 2011
2.17am
Galeans
Italy
Casbah Coffee Club
Forum Posts: 20
Member Since:
18 August 2011
Offline
11

Sorry if I expressed myself badly. I just wanted to point out that "Beatles IV" (I could have said "Beatles '65") is made up of songs that are already available on CD, while "The Beatles' Story" contains material not available on CD. I just wanted to point out that imho it was a bad thing excluding it from the box!

"Oh no! What a mad blundering, incredibly handsome young nincompoop I've been! "
25 August 2011
2.43am
mr. Sun king coming together
Nowhere Land
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 6916
Member Since:
19 September 2010
Offline
12

But Beatles Story is, in concept, in recording, in reality, not a Beatles record. I'd rather hear the same songs over again (mixed differently, I'll add) then hear drones being just that.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
25 August 2011
9.08am
Joe
Pepperland
Admin
Forum Posts: 3465
Member Since:
31 March 2008
Offline
13

It's got some historic value, though, surely? Personally I'd love to have a box set tying up all the extra US albums not on the Capitol boxes - Introducing The Beatles, A Hard Day's Night, The Beatles' Story, Yesterday And Today (with both covers - that'd be great), Revolver and Hey Jude.

Some of them have different mixes to the UK versions, so the completist in me would be happy, but it'd be nice to see the old artwork too in the case of something like Introducing The Beatles.

Please don't spoil my day; I'm miles away

Can buy me love! Please consider using these links to support the Beatles Bible: Amazon | iTunes

25 August 2011
11.30am
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9961
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Offline
14

Introducing The Beatles was on the Veejay label. Capitol released most, but not all, of the material on The Early Beatles which has been released so thats out for the foreseeable future.

Volume 3 containing Yesterday and Today, Revolver, Hey Jude and A Hard Days Night soundtrack would be a fantastic collection.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
25 August 2011
8.14pm
Into the Sky with Diamonds
New York
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1302
Member Since:
10 August 2011
Offline
15

Would indeed be great - but A Hard Day's Night in the U.S. was on the United Artists Label ....

(seriously messed up in the U.S. ...)

"Into the Sky with Diamonds" (the Beatles and the Race to the Moon – a history)
25 August 2011
8.16pm
IMDeWalrus
Terrace BC Canada
Decca
Forum Posts: 90
Member Since:
26 July 2011
Offline
16

I've always thought the US version of Rubber Soul worked better than the EMI/Parlophone version.   It has a more folk-rock feel to it, with the accoustic "I've Just Seen a Face" opening for the also-accoustic "Norwegian Wood".  I think that works much better than the opening Parlophone track ("Drive My Car").   And I also prefer the US version of "I'm Looking Through You", with its false start.  

And the Capitol Records decision to release Magical Mystery Tour as an LP, with that year's five unreleased singles, rather than the double EP issued by Parlophone, was a much better move.   (What the heck IS an EP anyway??)

Other than that, I think the British versions are far and away the best ones.    The Capitol album Hey Jude didn't really make sense to me (even though it was the first LP I ever bought) -- I couldn't understand why they included "Can't Buy Me Love" and "I Should Have Known Better", which are completely out of step with the rest of the album, and why they left off "The Inner Light".   The Past Masters collections are much better, and have made the American album irrelevant. 

I've got nothing to say, but it's okay.. GOOD MORNING! GOOD MORNING!! GOOD MORNING!!!
25 August 2011
9.47pm
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9961
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Offline
17

"Into the Sky with Diamonds" said:

Would indeed be great - but A Hard Day's Night in the U.S. was on the United Artists Label ....

(seriously messed up in the U.S. ...)

The rights to the  A Hard Days Night soundtrack in the US returned to Capitol but i dont know when exactly, so Capitol could now issue it.

 

IMDeWalrus said:

And the Capitol Records decision to release Magical Mystery Tour as an LP, with that year's five unreleased singles, rather than the double EP issued by Parlophone, was a much better move.   (What the heck IS an EP anyway??)

An EP stood for Extended Play and generally had 4 tracks. It was for the fans who couldnt afford to pay for an album; pay a little more and get a couple more songs. Quite popular in 1963, by 1967 the market was dead. In the UK they had quite a lot. The best was probably Long Tall Sally that contained 4 new songs that never appeared on a 60's UK album (Long Tall Sally, I Call Your Name, Slow Down and Matchbox), all of which were recorded during the A Hard Days Night album sessions. And of course you have the Double EP Magical Mystery Tour which had 6 new tracks.

The Beatles did have a couple of Capitol EPs, confusing called Four By The Beatles and 4 By The Beatles but neither did anything due to no EP market in the US.

Other than that, I think the British versions are far and away the best ones.    The Capitol album Hey Jude didn't really make sense to me (even though it was the first LP I ever bought) -- I couldn't understand why they included "Can't Buy Me Love" and "I Should Have Known Better", which are completely out of step with the rest of the album, and why they left off "The Inner Light".   The Past Masters collections are much better, and have made the American album irrelevant.

Although Cant Buy Me Love had been on the AHDN soundtrack I Should Have Known Better had not appeared on a Capitol album. However I'm Down could also have been added as that hadnt been on a US album, strangely when you consider how Capitol would use anything available. Anyway Hey Jude was an Allen Klein project that was all about money. Wiki has more about it.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
26 August 2011
12.40am
Galeans
Italy
Casbah Coffee Club
Forum Posts: 20
Member Since:
18 August 2011
Offline
18

As far as I know "Introducing the Beatles" was just a stripped down version of "Please Please Me", same mixes and all. Correct me if I'm wrong

"Oh no! What a mad blundering, incredibly handsome young nincompoop I've been! "
26 August 2011
12.58am
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9961
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Offline

Galeans said:

As far as I know "Introducing the Beatles" was just a stripped down version of "Please Please Me", same mixes and all. Correct me if I'm wrong

Yes your right Galeans. According to Beatles expert Doug Sulpy the mixes are the same.

Introducing The Beatles had various track listings depending on the time of release. Vee Jay put it out a couple of times with different songs due to copyright issues, but all songs were from Please Please Me.

 Wiki, unsurprisingly, has a detailed entry if you wish to read it. According to that the count in to I Saw Her Standing There was loped off. How would i cope in life without wikipedia? The fount of all knowledge. Very helpful for college work.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
26 August 2011
1.01am
mr. Sun king coming together
Nowhere Land
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 6916
Member Since:
19 September 2010
Offline
20

This thread is being wasted on so many levels, mostly because any straight comparison would prove futile. But, taken on their own, the albums are great. Meet The Beatles is well and truly better then the UK version, and it made John and Paul more known as songwriters.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 597

Currently Online: Ahhh Girl, Annadog40, Mr. Kite, Lucy in the Sky
44 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

meanmistermustard: 9961

mr. Sun king coming together: 6916

parlance: 5229

Ahhh Girl: 5219

mithveaen: 4651

Annadog40: 4355

Zig: 4223

Mr. Kite: 3854

Ron Nasty: 3105

fabfouremily: 2931

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 88

Members: 2641

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 34

Topics: 3153

Posts: 136430

Newest Members: McBeetles, Lucy in the Sky, btzgibbonclyd, PostNoBills, alvin turner

Moderators: Ahhh Girl: 5219, meanmistermustard: 9961, Zig: 4223, Joe: 3465

Administrators: Joe: 3465, Ellie: 1

Members Birthdays
Today: YouKnowMyName, BobGreaves
Upcoming: None