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2009 Remasters liner notes
28 April 2011
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Yep, I agree completely. I think they were written by Kevin Howlett, a BBC radio producer who knows his stuff, but he chose to mention one of the least interesting aspect of The Beatles' recording techniques.

Bouncing down/reduction mixes were perhaps worth a mention on Sgt Pepper, but for the rest there's a whole load of other stuff to be discusses. They should have asked me to do it a-hard-days-night-george-10

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I agree completely. The Lennon ones are much better.

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28 April 2011
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To be honest, I read the first 2 and I said "Booo-ring" so I decided to rip all my CDs to listen in my computer. a-hard-days-night-john-2

 

And for a long while, I had Beatles Bible song page from the song I was listening. As Joe said, it's much better a-hard-days-night-george-9

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28 April 2011
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Yeah, those remasters were disappointing in a number of ways. To read the "Let It Be" notes and not see any mention at all about the tensions and miseries involved in its recording feels dishonest in some way. And would it have been SO difficult to include session details – recording dates, instrumentation, all those juicy details that Joe worked so hard to post on this very site?

[Plus I hate having to slide the discs themselves out of a cardboard sleeve, what the hell is that?! A good way to get 'em prematurely scratched, that's what it is. Far, far inferior to the plastic ones with the lock-on thing in the centre, if you ask me. If Apple's rationale behind that decision was to replicate the experience of sliding vinyl discs out of record sleeves, well, thanks but no thanks. And if they did it merely to save money, then "Screw you, you cheap bastards!" That nonsense is way-unworthy of history's greatest band.]

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28 April 2011
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I know what you mean with those cardboard sleeves. I don't listen my CDs very often (I have all my music in my computer) so I'm very careful when I use them.

 

I think they went to the ecofriendly package rather than a cheap one, don't you think? a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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28 April 2011
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Quick tip: the CDs are easier to get in and out if you squeeze the top and bottom edges of the cases slightly.

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28 April 2011
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Von Bontee said:

[Plus I hate having to slide the discs themselves out of a cardboard sleeve, what the hell is that?! A good way to get 'em prematurely scratched, that's what it is. Far, far inferior to the plastic ones with the lock-on thing in the centre, if you ask me. If Apple's rationale behind that decision was to replicate the experience of sliding vinyl discs out of record sleeves, well, thanks but no thanks. And if they did it merely to save money, then "Screw you, you cheap bastards!" That nonsense is way-unworthy of history's greatest band.]

That has always bugged me. I mean, the Beatles weren't people who screwed over the public, so why does its company?

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28 April 2011
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paulsbass said:

Not sure if this has already been discussed, but after looking through some of the remasters I've GOT to express my disappointment with the liner notes!

I mean even Mark Lewinsons short comments on the Past Masters tracks are more informative and entertaining in contrast to these dull reports, how The Beatles used their four track recording device. And the process of "bouncing down" several tracks to one to create new space is described in at least five (!!) "recording notes"!! (Help, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, White Album) Can you imagine that?? Especially Revolver, one of the most remarkable recordings ever, and they give up a whole paragraph to the same thing they had described before TWICE!

And on the "White Album" the describe the whole process AGAIN, because then they did NOT need it anymore!!

 

And the "Historical notes" on "Sgt. Peppers" mainly describe their frustration with playing live – I think it would have been much more appropriate to acknowledge the "historical" dimensions of this album!!

 

All in all "Historical" and "Recording notes" on all albums totally lack enthusiasm, emotion and depths.

Big missed chance.george-martin

Anyone agrees with that?

I agree the recording and historical notes could have been better. But as far as the true liner notes, I believe they are the originals (written by Barrow or whoever the Press Officer du jour was at the time), no?

Also, in fairness, the packaging was designed for individual sale not just box sets. The "powers that be" have no guarantee the consumer would read about the bouncing down that many times if said consumer only bought one of the discs. I do know what you are saying though, pb – I stopped reading them after AHDN.

Personally, I like the packaging but do agree that chances were missed. Or, we could just go with Von and say "Screw you, you cheap bastards!" That made me laugh.

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28 April 2011
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Yeah, definitely. I pretty much have to do that anyways, since i actually keep the discs in innersleeves – those little paper-and-cellophane envelopes that usually house CD-Roms – inside the cardboard, which (of course) makes the whole thing bulkier and even more of a hassle to remove, grr…

[Side note: I remember reading that Lennon used to regularly buy three copies of albums he liked: one to play, one to loan to a friend, and one to keep filed away on a shelf, in pristine shape (and possibly still sealed?). I wonder, if he'd lived to embrace the digital-music age, would he be apt to buy a single CD, save it to his hard drive then file it away, and just burn copies for whoever wanted one? Who knows...it's an idle question anyways...]

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The last time I actually listened to an actual CD was Anthology 1, because I hadn't put it on the Computer yet.

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29 April 2011
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Von Bontee said:

[Side note: I remember reading that Lennon used to regularly buy three copies of albums he liked: one to play, one to loan to a friend, and one to keep filed away on a shelf, in pristine shape (and possibly still sealed?). I wonder, if he'd lived to embrace the digital-music age, would he be apt to buy a single CD, save it to his hard drive then file it away, and just burn copies for whoever wanted one? Who knows...it's an idle question anyways...]

I didn't know that!! I'm sure he would have a CD and then rip it into mp3 files or FLAC into this computer while tweeting and posting on his blog. a-hard-days-night-john-3

 

damn now I got sad. a-hard-days-night-ringo-5

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I think they're wery detailed (both of them).a-hard-days-night-john-2

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Joe said:

They should have asked me to do it. 

That would have been awesome.

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I think my favorite notes are the original liner notes for Beatles for Sale. They crack me up every time-- especially the bit about the radioactive cigar-smoking child vacationing on Saturn! 

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I don't have a hard copy of these, but I do have scans of all the notes, and I've only read through Please Please Me at this point and I found them fairly interesting. Nothing we BBers didn't already know, but if I was a casual fan I'd be interested. 

Oh, and the beginning here doesn't make sense at first because of paulsbass. Thanks for quoting it, Zig!

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Yeah, lucky break that Zig quoted it in full. This was actually a worthwhile (if short) thread by Paulsbass – I wonder how many other useful posts of his got purged?

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