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The Abbey Road Medley
23 February 2012
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BornInThe80s said

Ah the medley. It is brilliant. Polythene Pam, Golden Slumbers, and The End being my favorites.

 I used to skip 'Sun King' all the time. It took one time listening to the album in the woods, not particularly sober, that I realized how AMAZING that song (and the entire medley) is. It truly is a wonderful end to an album, the best I've ever heard.

 a-hard-days-night-ringo-8are you kidding me?! tell me – why?a-hard-days-night-ringo-6 mm… I find the intro (I mean first seconds of the song) really relaxing and pleasent kind of a warm up to what's coming next – they aren't heavy or annoying, whatever. just fills you. so, you, why? a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 exactly how I feel! It coaxes the soul. And the singing is warm as well

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I will blame it on my age at the time! I felt it was a little slow and took to long to get to the point. Also, at that time, I never listened to an album all the way through! My first listen of Abbey Road (on my own) I skipped songs and wondered why the 2nd half seemed so short and abrupt in places a-hard-days-night-ringo-6It took me a while before I played it through and realized it was a medley! I'm actually kind of ashamed of admitting that. I was 20. Just a little boy!

 

Come to think of it my  Beatles obsession started a bit rough. I remember Sgt. Pepper was the 2nd album from them I bought, listened to it twice, hated it and didn't pick it up for years.

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Deep Beatles has an entry on the making of "Sun King" with some interesting revelations – most notably (for me anyway) the Fleetwod Mac influence.

However, another musical influence entered the studio — Fleetwood Mac. In 1968, the Peter Green-iteration of the band released “Albatross,” a dreamy instrumental driven by Green’s reverb-filled guitar solo and chords emulating the tide rolling in. In a 1987 interview, George Harrison revealed that the single inspired the Beatles to rework “Sun King.” “At the time, ‘Albatross’ was out, with all the reverb on guitar. So we said, ‘Let’s be Fleetwood Mac doing “Albatross,” just to get going,’ Harrison said. “It never really sounded like Fleetwood Mac … but that was the point of origin.”

While “Sun King” may not exactly duplicate the track, the mellow quality of the song, created with melodic guitars and sound effects like chimes and use of cymbals, faintly echo “Albatross.”

More at the link.

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I was thinking about that this morning. This is going a bit off-topic but whatever.

Sun King is very Fleetwood Mac. The guitar work in Don't Let Me Down sounds very Hendrix-y (Wind Cries Mary), and Lennon's voice in that song sounds like nothing else he recorded (listen to "Ooh she done me/She done me gooood" – can anyone tell me who he's trying to sound like? Dylan?). We all know he lost his mojo towards the end, but it's interesting how some of his late-Beatles music was quite derivative of his contemporaries. It's like his early and late music was heavily inspired by other people, and only in the middle stage was his songwriting truly original.

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I can't think of any Dylan song that featured that kind of vocal at that time. Bob was very much using his country voice at that time, and I can't think of a vocal like Lennon's from earlier in the decade. I tend to think that the last time Bob as a performer influenced a Beatles performance was Paul's on Rocky Raccoonwhich, along with the song itself, seems heavily influenced by John Wesley Harding and, in particular, The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest.

Anyway, we should know better!

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Joe said
I was thinking about that this morning. This is going a bit off-topic but whatever.
Sun King is very Fleetwood Mac. The guitar work in Don't Let Me Down sounds very Hendrix-y (Wind Cries Mary), and Lennon's voice in that song sounds like nothing else he recorded (listen to "Ooh she done me/She done me gooood" – can anyone tell me who he's trying to sound like? Dylan?). We all know he lost his mojo towards the end, but it's interesting how some of his late-Beatles music was quite derivative of his contemporaries. It's like his early and late music was heavily inspired by other people, and only in the middle stage was his songwriting truly original.

I was listening to Abbey Road (twice) last night and Sun King actually made me think more of Pink Floyd around the time of Meddle.  I wonder if the Beatles were an influence on them like the Mac were on this track (or am I just hearing things that aren't there)?

 

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Whole songs and scraps of songs linked together….Some better than others……..Are we talking about Paul's favorite song on the White Album……….'Happiness Is A Warm Gun'??

 

I know we 're not…… but credit where it's due.

 

Maybe on HIAWG John was thinking of 'Autumn Almanac' or 'A Day In The Life'………..Or just didn't have a whole song..Whatever, the medley owes something to 'Happiness……….' 

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The Medley was the pinnacle of the Beatles for me.

Golden Slumbers/ Carry That Weight/ being the climax

27 January 2014
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xskelterhelterx said
The Medley was the pinnacle of the Beatles for me.

Golden Slumbers/ Carry That Weight/ being the climax

Ditto. Both those songs now remind me of a short trip I went on with my family to the Pyrenees in France a few months ago. We were hiking and my backpack got really really heavy. Carry That Weight got stuck in my head for an hour. When we went back to the hotel I was tired out and listened to the medley. Golden Slumbers was fitting, even the "get back homeward" part. When I returned home I got back to where I once belonged…

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YouKnowMyName said

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The Medley was the pinnacle of the Beatles for me.

Golden Slumbers/ Carry That Weight/ being the climax

Ditto. Both those songs now remind me of a short trip I went on with my family to the Pyrenees in France a few months ago. We were hiking and my backpack got really really heavy. Carry That Weight got stuck in my head for an hour. When we went back to the hotel I was tired out and listened to the medley. Golden Slumbers was fitting, even the "get back homeward" part. When I returned home I got back to where I once belonged…

Awesome story.  GS always makes me think of my childhood home.

 

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Slightly off topic to the running conversation here but I don't like the medley. Well, the order it's in, anyway. I'd get rid of a few songs and it'd end up like this - 

 

Golden Slumbers

Carry That Weight

The End

Her Majesty 

Polythene Pam

(Then because just for the hell of it, I'd put Get Back to finish it all off.)

 

 

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Blech. That would totally not be nearly as good. Where's You Never Give Your Money? That's essential.

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How old do you picture Mean Mr Mustard and Polythene Pam to be?

I picture Mean Mr Mustard middle aged with a large grey unkempt beard, and Polythene Pam younger, but not by too much because they're siblings, so 30's at the youngest.

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Ahhh Girl said
How old do you picture Mean Mr Mustard and Polythene Pam to be?

I picture Mean Mr Mustard middle aged with a large grey unkempt beard, and Polythene Pam younger, but not by too much because they're siblings, so 30's at the youngest.

I've always seen it the other way around, PP being the good older sister looking after her slightly autistic, socially awkward younger brother. A couple of years between them, and probably in their 30s at the time of the songs.

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M3 reminded me of this earlier, but I think that this is the best thing they did. I mean, taking 9 songs and connecting them in such a awesomely creative way was masterful. I have to say, however, that John's songs were not great (no, Because isn't in my 'John songs' thing. That's great.) and really, Mustard, Pam, and Bathroom Window are comedic relief. The true mastery of the medley comes from Paul. You Never Give Me Your Money is a suite, a suite that is, of all time, tied for #1. This is the best, nay, the only, opener. The subtle chord to Sun King, and then the majesticness of that. Following Bathroom Window, Golden Slumbers was, is, and will remain, my favourite part of this medley. Its soft beauty, the elegance and the beauty of the melody are haunting. Carry That Weight is great, especially the reprise of the YNGMYM guitar, and then The End. I needn't go into that. And Her Majesty is also nice, even if to far away from The End for my liking. So, what are your favourites? (I hope I don't get any snarky I hate it comments *cough*Zig, M3*cough*, but I seriously doubt anyone dislikes it.

I think this is the best thing anyone did – it is still just completely awesome nowadays.  I don't agree that Paul's are the best bits – I think the work he did putting it all together might be – but all the snippets add value.

 

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Ron Nasty said

Mr. Kite said

Ahhh Girl said
How old do you picture Mean Mr Mustard and Polythene Pam to be?

I picture Mean Mr Mustard middle aged with a large grey unkempt beard, and Polythene Pam younger, but not by too much because they're siblings, so 30's at the youngest.

I've always seen it the other way around, PP being the good older sister looking after her slightly autistic, socially awkward younger brother. A couple of years between them, and probably in their 30s at the time of the songs.

So we are going to say that the Pam in the Mustard song is Polythene Pam. There aren't two different Pams. The Beatles call Mustard *old* in addition to being dirty and mean. Would The Beatles think that 30-something was "old"? Or is the *old* just a catch-phrase? Ooops, some over analysis going on in my head. I wonder what @Bungalow Bob would say to this question?

Also, @Mr. Kite , I guess if Mustard shaves in the dark, he misses his face and thus still has a large unkempt beard.

EDIT: I just read Joe's page on Mean Mr Mustard. He has this quote from John.

In Mean Mr Mustard I said ‘his sister Pam’ – originally it was ‘his sister Shirley’ in the lyric. I changed it to Pam to make it sound like it had something to do with it [Polythene Pam].

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@Ahhh Girl said

Ron Nasty said

Mr. Kite said

Ahhh Girl said
How old do you picture Mean Mr Mustard and Polythene Pam to be?

I picture Mean Mr Mustard middle aged with a large grey unkempt beard, and Polythene Pam younger, but not by too much because they're siblings, so 30's at the youngest.

I've always seen it the other way around, PP being the good older sister looking after her slightly autistic, socially awkward younger brother. A couple of years between them, and probably in their 30s at the time of the songs.

So we are going to say that the Pam in the Mustard song is Polythene Pam. There aren't two different Pams. The Beatles call Mustard *old* in addition to being dirty and mean. Would The Beatles think that 30-something was "old"? Or is the *old* just a catch-phrase? Ooops, some over analysis going on in my head. I wonder what @Bungalow Bob would say to this question?

Also, @Mr. Kite , I guess if Mustard shaves in the dark, he misses his face and thus still has a large unkempt beard.

Yes I definitely see them as siblings, and the old is part of the reason I imagine him older, just not too old because I don't see Pam that old, however, old could just be a phrase that fit the lyric.

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I think of Pam as young and Mustard as old and their dad had a child with another wife when Mustard was 30

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