The Beatles Bible - Topic: The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 Linde on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75929 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75929 Apparently it had been written long before that. The article on the song says it was written even before Hamburg. It was indeed held off AHDN due to it's similarity to You Can't Do That. So that doesn't necessarily mean it was intended to be the 14th song, right? Am I the only one who thinks it's funny that they obviously had enough songs but still only put 13 songs on the album?

]]> Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:18:57 +0100 DrBeatle on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75918 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75918 Sorry if I missed this previously...I've been without internet for 10 days (moving house...). I thought I'd recalled that I Call Your Name was the intended song but didn't make the cut.

]]> Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:42:15 +0100 Glass Onion on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75913 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75913 All the 13 songs were already recorded, and:

Ringo: Hey guys, what song I'm going to sing?

Paul: No Ringo, you're not gonna sing in this album

Ringo: Why!?

John: Because you already chose the title of the album. That's enough participation!

Ringo: But we need 14 songs!

Paul: Meh!

]]> Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:00:14 +0100 Linde on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75910 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75910 Apparently Matchbox was intended to be on AHDN, never knew that, but just happened to be reading the piece on Matchbox as it was song of the day.

''In June 1964 the group were considering which songs to record for their third long player, A Hard Day's Night. Matchbox was intended to be Ringo's feature on the album, but was later deemed surplus to requirements and so it appeared on the Long Tall Sally EP.''

I must say it wouldn't have fitted in on AHDN anyway. Doesn't really go well with the rest imo.

]]> Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:55:14 +0100 Duke_of_Kirkaldy on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75872 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75872 Well, it (presumably) stands to reason that if he started getting into songwriting a year or two earlier he'd have had a few more songs to submit from '64-'67.  Then he reached his most prolific songwriting period from '68-'70 yet STILL couldn't get more than his standard 1-song-per-album-side.  ahdn_paul_01

]]> Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:40:47 +0100 meanmistermustard on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75828 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/page-2/#p75828 Did George have any more acceptable material pre-revolver that was recordable aside from You Know What To Do? Ringo was also writing back then just mostly rehashed country stuff, it took almost 4 years for Dont Pass Me By to be accepted. A lot of John and Paul songs were either dumped on other artists or completely forgotten because they weren't up to scratch.

Im not saying that George got much of a help from John and Paul when developing as a songwriter but lack of quality material might have been as big a reason as any for only 2 songs on Help! and Rubber ...]]> Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:49:45 +0100 fabfouremily on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p75794 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p75794 ^ It's possible, but even once George started showing an interest, it took time for J and P to accept that his songs were worthy of being on an album (at least some of them). The fact is they weren't prepared to help him mature musically and give him a chance. I'm not saying that George was brilliant and so were all his songs but he could have started getting more songs on the albums sooner, I think, had they have been willing to let him.

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BBCSessions1963 said
You Know What To Do would've been a good canidate. The song could've been taken more seriously. Though Paul could've possibly be on Drums, and overdub a bass part. At least give George a chance, though it would destroy the Lennon/McCartney essence of the album. Possibly a song could've been scribbled and recorded as a last minute resort.

But it still would've been an album of all original compositions.  I've often wondered whether George would've gotten more of his own songs on the group's albums had he started showing an interest in songwriting earlier than he ultimately did. 

]]> Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:04:46 +0100 Beatles in the Blood on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p75677 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p75677 Yes, if it was to go against I Call Your Name and When I Get Home, I think most people have the same opinions.

Though there is still one more candidate I haven't seen mentioned above, A World Without Love was given to Peter and Gordon sometime in February 1964, so, it is possible if they ever did that song professionally, it could have very well made a slot on the album, plus, I'm pretty sure they would put a McCartney composition considering he only had three.

]]> Fri, 07 Jun 2013 02:21:49 +0100 DrBeatle on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p67353 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p67353 A shame, because I Call Your Name is a great track, IMO.

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IMDeWalrus said

I read somewhere once that "I Call Your Name" WAS being planned for HARD DAYS NIGHT but was considered too similar to "You Can't Do That", so it was pulled.  

Yeah, that makes sense - especially considering that "When I Get Home" also sounds somewhat similar to "You Can't Do That", with that mid-tempo cowbell-rock vibe. They realily didn't need three of those on one album, particularly when two of them are back-to-back. (I would've preferred YCDT as the album closer instead of "I'll Be Back", although the latter song does have the more appropriate title.)

]]> Sun, 03 Mar 2013 08:43:47 +0000 meanmistermustard on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65194 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65194

DrBeatle said

Duke_of_Kirkaldy said
But Ringo DID have a vocal spot on the "Long Tall Sally" EP with "Matchbox;" not even George had a lead vocal on that.? ahdn_paul_02"Don't Pass Me By" languished on the back burner for years because the others deemed it too much of a throwaway?song to put it on one of their albums.? Of course, when the anything-goes White Album came around, it finally had an opening.

 

The fact that it went on the White Album in place of Not Guilty is the real shocker!

Not really. Ringo was always going to ...]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:10:12 +0000 DrBeatle on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65191 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65191

Duke_of_Kirkaldy said
But Ringo DID have a vocal spot on the "Long Tall Sally" EP with "Matchbox;" not even George had a lead vocal on that.  ahdn_paul_02"Don't Pass Me By" languished on the back burner for years because the others deemed it too much of a throwaway song to put it on one of their albums.  Of course, when the anything-goes White Album came around, it finally had an opening.

 

The fact that it went on the White Album in place of Not Guilty is the real shocker!

]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:44:26 +0000 meanmistermustard on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65180 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65180 John C Winn wrote the highly respected three volume set 'Way Beyond Compare: 1957 - 1965', 'That Magic Feeling: 1966 - 1970' and 'Lifting Latches' that documented and analysed the Beatles recording sessions and tape logs. Very good books they are, well worth seeking out.

]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:14:42 +0000 unknown on The hypothetical 14th song for AHDN http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65149 A Hard Day's Night http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/a-hard-days-night-1/the-hypothetical-14th-song-for-ahdn/#p65149 Who's John C. Winn?

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