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AHDN The Beatles First Masterpeice?
28 March 2014
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Please Please Me was an amazing album, great debut, love all the songs, but by AHDN the Beatles really knew what they were doing. Every song was well thought out musically (some lyrics were a bit forced) and recorded well. It's their best early album (first four) and the title song is a classic. Was AHDN The Beatles' first masterpiece?

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I've always seen AHDN as their cultural crossover album, as it proved they were more than just hype.  It was a truly varied collection of songs tied into a great movie.  It's the first album of all-originals, too.

I've noticed that as time marches on AHDN gets lumped into the "early Beatles" pile.  Probably because in comparison 'Beatles For Sale' almost seems like a step backwards with its glut of cover songs and occasionally questionable song choice.  Honestly, for years I thought BFS came before AHDN, because the transition from AHDN to 'Help!' felt more natural.

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Hey, albums get hyperlinked now.  Neat. When did that start?

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28 March 2014
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SatanHimself said
I've always seen AHDN as their cultural crossover album, as it proved they were more than just hype.  It was a truly varied collection of songs tied into a great movie.  It's the first album of all-originals, too.

I've noticed that as time marches on AHDN gets lumped into the "early Beatles" pile.  Probably because in comparison 'Beatles For Sale' almost seems like a step backwards with its glut of cover songs and occasionally questionable song choice.  Honestly, for years I thought BFS came before AHDN, because the transition from AHDN to 'Help!' felt more natural.

Beatles For Sale Seems like a break, probably due to the fatigue caused by touring, definitely a step backward in my opinion. But I wasn't even thinking about the movie, that definitely was a big turning point.

And I think they started linking last night.

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28 March 2014
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More hyperlinking mysteries for me to ponder: How does it differentiate between the single and album titles?

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Von Bontee said
More hyperlinking mysteries for me to ponder: How does it differentiate between the single and album titles?

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Von Bontee said
More hyperlinking mysteries for me to ponder: How does it differentiate between the single and album titles?

I don't think it does, the albums get precedence and then its the songs so Help! takes you to the album page not the song page. I suppose the thinking is that the album pages will provide you with the links to entries for all the songs on that album plus a load of other entries around the forum whereas the song entry might lead to less.

SatanHimself said
Hey, albums get hyperlinked now.  Neat. When did that start?

Joe put the feature in a few days back, its detailed in this Forum Changes post and the ones following.7

 

On topic.

Is it a masterpiece? Its certainly an amazing album, another step up in quality in their writing and recording and all songs self-penned by John and Paul, which was a real eyeopener at the time, and there are a few fillers (I'm Happy Just To Dance With You, When I Get Home, I'll Cry Instead – tho some will argue that Revolver, The White Album and even Pepper has that) and its lacking that something needed to take it to the masterpiece level. It did take them them two more albums before they pushed thru with Rubber Soul.

For me their first masterpiece, which is very different from an exceptional album, is Revolver, that was when they put an album together that blew the world of music and everything in it away and left anyone stunned at how far ahead of the game they were – tho it may hav enot been felt that way at the time. By Pepper everyone else had cottoned on and got it and society was pretty much in tune (altho some derided it on initial release, same as when She Loves You was released). I think thats why Revolver is now generally seen to be better than Pepper.

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28 March 2014
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meanmistermustard said

Von Bontee said
More hyperlinking mysteries for me to ponder: How does it differentiate between the single and album titles?

I don't think it does, the albums get precedence and then its the songs so Help! takes you to the album page not the song page. I suppose the thinking is that the album pages will provide you with the links to entries for all the songs on that album plus a load of other entries around the forum whereas the song entry might lead to less.

SatanHimself said
Hey, albums get hyperlinked now.  Neat. When did that start?

Joe put the feature in a few days back, its detailed in this Forum Changes post and the ones following.7

 

On topic.

Is it a masterpiece? Its certainly an amazing album, another step up in quality in their writing and recording and all songs self-penned by John and Paul, which was a real eyeopener at the time, and there are a few fillers (I'm Happy Just To Dance With You, When I Get Home, I'll Cry Instead – tho some will argue that Revolver, The White Album and even Pepper has that) and its lacking that something needed to take it to the masterpiece level. It did take them them two more albums before they pushed thru with Rubber Soul.

For me their first masterpiece, which is very different from an exceptional album, is Revolver, that was when they put an album together that blew the world of music and everything in it away and left anyone stunned at how far ahead of the game they were – tho it may hav enot been felt that way at the time. By Pepper everyone else had cottoned on and got it and society was pretty much in tune (altho some derided it on initial release, same as when She Loves You was released). I think thats why Revolver is now generally seen to be better than Pepper.

Which is why Revolver is probably my favorite. I probably shouldn't have used the word masterpiece, but I meant their first real breakthrough, an exceptional album that showed their true talent and was full of amazing music. 

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28 March 2014
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Mr. Kite said
I probably shouldn't have used the word masterpiece

Why not? It's a legitimate question. Great topic.  

Since I consider 1963/64 to be the "early days", I say yes it was their first masterpiece for the positives mentioned by SatanHimself.

SatanHimself said
…it proved they were more than just hype.  It was a truly varied collection of songs tied into a great movie.  It's the first album of all-originals, too.

I can definitely see the merit in mmm's thinking as well – especially since Revolver is my co-favorite album along with Rubber Soul (Rubbolver!).

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Listening to the album at the moment and yes, it is the masterpiece of their early phase that started with Please Please Me and ended with Beatles For Sale. Just wire-to-wire mastery and so far ahead of everyone else at the time it was released that it must have seemed cruelly unfair in 1964.

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Clearly AHDN is a master piece compared to their 1st 2 LPS, which could have been Please Please Me 1 & 2,  like Rubber Soul & Revolver were.  Again followed by another master piece in Sgt.Pepper.  How Ironic. a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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